Failed me Air Law!!
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From: Manston Kent
I PASSED!!!! Quite relifed!!!! And to my supprise on friday on a bad vis day my instructor got out the plane and left me to go SOLO!!!
WOW!!!!
Amazin feeling and when lookin to my right seeing I was alone was kinda wierd. Im in our New York office at the mo, so I wont be flying till next week now.
Andrew
WOW!!!!
Amazin feeling and when lookin to my right seeing I was alone was kinda wierd. Im in our New York office at the mo, so I wont be flying till next week now.
Andrew
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From: Flatland
CPilotUK,
It might be fairer to say that the Air Law syllabus is packed
with information of variable utility to the average pilot.
Some parts are useful and will become second nature,
others like the workings of the Montreal treaty and the
founding date of ICAO will be flushed away once the
exam has been passed.
Flash0710 is perhaps overstating his case but there
is a lot of dead-wood in the syllabus,
-- Andrew
It might be fairer to say that the Air Law syllabus is packed
with information of variable utility to the average pilot.
Some parts are useful and will become second nature,
others like the workings of the Montreal treaty and the
founding date of ICAO will be flushed away once the
exam has been passed.
Flash0710 is perhaps overstating his case but there
is a lot of dead-wood in the syllabus,
-- Andrew
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From: Temporarily Unaware......
Congratulations on Passing!
There is as you say a lot of dead wood ( Good term )
Just about to start ATp's
What junk will i need to learn and forget why do they not just stick to the nessescary....?
There is as you say a lot of dead wood ( Good term )
Just about to start ATp's
What junk will i need to learn and forget why do they not just stick to the nessescary....?
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From: Kent
Nice one Holloway! 
I'm dead jealous - I've not flown any lessons for ages, due to other commitments, then last weekend the weather stopped me. Now I think I'm going to be grounded for a week or so due to a rugby injury
tKF
I'm dead jealous - I've not flown any lessons for ages, due to other commitments, then last weekend the weather stopped me. Now I think I'm going to be grounded for a week or so due to a rugby injury
tKF
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From: Croydon (but really from Barnsley)
My instructor sprang the Air Law on me one weekend when I wasn't really expecting it. I'd been sending myself to sleep on the train with the book, bought the PPL Confuser but never done anything with it, and as it was a surprise I'd not really revised.
But I managed to scrape through with 78%. Yay me!
Week after that I soloed.
Best of look with the resit!
But I managed to scrape through with 78%. Yay me!
Week after that I soloed.
Best of look with the resit!
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
Holloway,
Hope you don't mind if I re-write your last post:
Congratulations on your progress so far!!!
FFF
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Hope you don't mind if I re-write your last post:
Havent been on here for ages!!!! Passed 4 exams now and done 22 hours!! I've got miles to go - I know the learning process will carry on for the rest of my life - but I'm enjoying the journey
FFF
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Take your time mate and enjoy the leaning! Even when you get your PPL(A) you'll still have miles to go.. there's building up your hours, night/IMC etc. and other ratings, complex types, tail-draggers, aeros, going foreign, etc. etc. etc. The beauty of this hobby / vocation (which ever!) is that there's always MORE to be done - aint it wonderful! 
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From: Manston Kent
HE HE, I agree Im just looking forward to not having to turn up and do circuits or somthing. I know ill be learning for ever, thats what I love about it but I cant wait to split the cost and show others how amazing it is up there and also take a trip to france in 30 mins for the day
Im just looking forward to not having to turn up and do circuits or somthing. I know ill be learning for ever, thats what I love about it but I cant wait to split the cost and show others how amazing it is up there and also take a trip to france in 30 mins for the day
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Absolutely - yes I understand that impatience! I flew to Le Touquet last weekend - not my first time in France, but first time at LFAT... its a really nice little town, and will impress your friends!
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From: UK
HELP !
I have my Air Law exam planned for this coming weekend......ive sat the confuser exam three times - 73%, 78% and 84% - the questions I get wrong arnt blocks in the same subject they seem to be varying around the whole 156 questions - also looking back there are at least three or four questions that afterwards I knew the answer to but obviously didnt read it correctly.
I plan to sit it hopefuly 2 more times before the real thing.....can anyone guess my chances based on this???
rt
I have my Air Law exam planned for this coming weekend......ive sat the confuser exam three times - 73%, 78% and 84% - the questions I get wrong arnt blocks in the same subject they seem to be varying around the whole 156 questions - also looking back there are at least three or four questions that afterwards I knew the answer to but obviously didnt read it correctly.
I plan to sit it hopefuly 2 more times before the real thing.....can anyone guess my chances based on this???
rt
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From: Worcestershire, UK
Congratulations Holloway. I agree with earlier comments that some of the syllabus (Eg Chicago convention) is dull & boring, but I actually find most of it interesting - still read the Jeremy Pratt Air Law book in the loo.
I wonder how much harder the ATPL Air Law exam can be. Any professional flyers out there care to comment?
I wonder how much harder the ATPL Air Law exam can be. Any professional flyers out there care to comment?
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From: Nottingham,UK
I'm actually getting worse at this. I started off by getting 90%, then 80% and the last mock paper I did resulted in a poxy 62%. Some intense revision is called for I think!
The type of questions that typically catch me out are along the lines of 'a balloon flying at night shall carry a red light that shows in all directions suspended 5m/5ft/10m below the basket.' To which my answer is 'who cares how far below the basket it's suspended - just don't fly into it!'
There is so much that is irrelevant to the kind of operations you expect to be doing in a light aircraft - if you can't see the point of knowing something, you tend to not retain it. Oh well, just have to suck on it if I want to fly without a guardian angel I suppose.
The type of questions that typically catch me out are along the lines of 'a balloon flying at night shall carry a red light that shows in all directions suspended 5m/5ft/10m below the basket.' To which my answer is 'who cares how far below the basket it's suspended - just don't fly into it!'
There is so much that is irrelevant to the kind of operations you expect to be doing in a light aircraft - if you can't see the point of knowing something, you tend to not retain it. Oh well, just have to suck on it if I want to fly without a guardian angel I suppose.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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From: Bournemouth
Rupetime, good luck. Keep studying, and you should be fine.
Ratsarrse, I hate those questions! If it's something you know and you see regularly, it might be possible to make an educated guess... but a light suspended from a baloon? Who cares? I find it sometimes helps to draw pictures, and anotate them with the correct distances, etc... but maybe that's just me.
Mariner9, don't ask. It's much worse. Imagine learning all of the Annexes to the Chicago Convetion. "Dangerous Goods is covered by which Annex: random number A, random number B, random number C or random number D?" There's definitely a market for 4-sided dice for some of these questions! Or imagine learning a whole load of ICAO regulations, and proudly answering a question correctly in a practice paper. In the next practice paper you see the same question, put the same answer, and get it wrong... then discover that this question is asking about JAR, which is different to ICAO.
Without a doubt, the worst part of any flying training you can or will ever do is ATPL Air Law!
FFF
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Ratsarrse, I hate those questions! If it's something you know and you see regularly, it might be possible to make an educated guess... but a light suspended from a baloon? Who cares? I find it sometimes helps to draw pictures, and anotate them with the correct distances, etc... but maybe that's just me.
Mariner9, don't ask. It's much worse. Imagine learning all of the Annexes to the Chicago Convetion. "Dangerous Goods is covered by which Annex: random number A, random number B, random number C or random number D?" There's definitely a market for 4-sided dice for some of these questions! Or imagine learning a whole load of ICAO regulations, and proudly answering a question correctly in a practice paper. In the next practice paper you see the same question, put the same answer, and get it wrong... then discover that this question is asking about JAR, which is different to ICAO.
Without a doubt, the worst part of any flying training you can or will ever do is ATPL Air Law!FFF
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If you need a guardian angel, I may be able to help there...
Meanwhile: may I recommend the "pickle" approach to examinations that are based on your regurgitating ability?
1. Learn the relevant stuff that you will really need to know when you get to be a PPL. You don't want to sell yourself short on the important small percentage!
2. For all the rest - the stuff you will look up in the unlikely event you ever need it again (like height below balloon for the red light; number of cabin crew for various numbers of pax; how to calculate W&B for a 747)...
A. Take the book on holiday to somewhere sunny (Mallorca, Crete, Tenerife etc) for two weeks. Book the written for the day after you get back.
B. Sit on the beach with a large jug of Sangria (or similar), under a large sunshade, or smothered in sun factor 20, as you prefer.
C. Read the book and try to memorise it till your brain hurts.
D. Have a glass out of the jug and go for half an hour's swim (or whatever is your sunny beach thing).
REPEAT B C and D until the two weeks are up.
E. Go home and do the written.
I got 92% in my air law that way. And the best tan I ever had, and the most peaceful fortnight I can remember.
Meanwhile: may I recommend the "pickle" approach to examinations that are based on your regurgitating ability?
1. Learn the relevant stuff that you will really need to know when you get to be a PPL. You don't want to sell yourself short on the important small percentage!
2. For all the rest - the stuff you will look up in the unlikely event you ever need it again (like height below balloon for the red light; number of cabin crew for various numbers of pax; how to calculate W&B for a 747)...
A. Take the book on holiday to somewhere sunny (Mallorca, Crete, Tenerife etc) for two weeks. Book the written for the day after you get back.
B. Sit on the beach with a large jug of Sangria (or similar), under a large sunshade, or smothered in sun factor 20, as you prefer.
C. Read the book and try to memorise it till your brain hurts.
D. Have a glass out of the jug and go for half an hour's swim (or whatever is your sunny beach thing).
REPEAT B C and D until the two weeks are up.
E. Go home and do the written.
I got 92% in my air law that way. And the best tan I ever had, and the most peaceful fortnight I can remember.