Flying A**hole

[BDAttitude]

Originally Posted by jmmoric

• We make initial call, get runway in use and QNH and "enter the TMA or CTR" but without using the word "cleared", then we can enter.
• We make initial call, get runway in use and QNH and "cleared to enter/destination....." as is required in a standard clearance, then we can enter.

I'd like to add: Clearance to cross extended centerline of active runway always/sometimes (if approaching traffic)/never (he'll tell you what to do)

[MarcK]

Originally Posted by jmmoric

What do you expect to hear from ATC if you're flying VFR and is about to enter class D or C airspace?

In FAA land: For class C: Establish radio contact - ATC responds with your callsign. Same for class D, but expect an instruction (join downwind, etc). QNH is normally given on ATIS, so the initial call in class D would be something like "<airport> Cessna 12345, 5 miles SW landing with <ATIS designator>". Only for class B must you hear "Cleared into class Bravo".

[oggers]

^^ absolutely correct. "[callsign] standby" is enough to enter the clas C or D stateside. Widely understood in the USA and covered in the AIM if memory serves. OTOH "aircraft calling, standby" does not count as 'establishing communications' and you should remain clear.

[Pugilistic Animus]

Originally Posted by jmmoric

The fun thing is, this entire conversation between ATC and N731NR reminded me of that... (he is IFR though, so there's nothing to raffle about)

IFR or VFR you still need clearance to enter the class Bravo