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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:03
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UK quarantine and ferry flight

Hello guys,

I need to ferry fly a private plane out of UK, I'm struggling to understand if it's legally doable without spending 2 weeks quarantine in UK.

on government website, on the exemption list I've found:

Pilots and crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work.


So I checked the Air Navigation Order which defines:“Crew” means persons carried in an aircraft who are : a member of the flight crew;

“pilot in command”, in relation to an aircraft, means the pilot designated by the operator as being in command and charged with the safe conduct of its flight, without being under the direction of any other pilot in the aircraft;



So as a commercial pilot, am I allowed to enter the country for the purpose of picking up a private plane, which not involved in commercial operations?




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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:29
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I take Schedule 1 and the Exemption as applying to the crew of the aircraft that flew to the UK.

If I have understood you correctly, you would seem to be "crew" for the purpose of flying an aircraft out of the UK, but would be a passenger for entering the UK.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 14:42
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Check if you’re exempt and complete the exemption form here:

https://visas-immigration.service.go...r-locator-form
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 15:45
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Might be difficult if it`s a private aircraft,unless there are `extenuating `circumstances`.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 16:36
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Why not get a pilot currently resident in the United Kingdom to ferry the aeroplane.

That way they can serve any quarantine required on their return to the UK.

Happy to help if you message me.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 17:21
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Originally Posted by snak View Post
Hello guys,

I need to ferry fly a private plane out of UK, I'm struggling to understand if it's legally doable without spending 2 weeks quarantine in UK.

on government website, on the exemption list I've found:

Pilots and crew, as defined in paragraph 1 of Schedule 1 to the Air Navigation Order 2016(h), where such crew have travelled to the UK in the course of their work.


So I checked the Air Navigation Order which defines:“Crew” means persons carried in an aircraft who are : a member of the flight crew;

“pilot in command”, in relation to an aircraft, means the pilot designated by the operator as being in command and charged with the safe conduct of its flight, without being under the direction of any other pilot in the aircraft;



So as a commercial pilot, am I allowed to enter the country for the purpose of picking up a private plane, which not involved in commercial operations?
It says in the course of their work and you’ve said it’s not involved in commercial ops. Sadly that’s pretty explicit I’d have thought?
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 17:41
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Originally Posted by VariablePitchP View Post
It says in the course of their work and you’ve said it’s not involved in commercial ops. Sadly that’s pretty explicit I’d have thought?
That's why I posted this question....

A commercial pilot doing a ferry flight is definitely in the course of his work, but the flight itself is not commercial. So looks like a grey area.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 18:30
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If you go back to the original Coronavirus Regulations, it refers to going to work. The subsequent advice allowed people to do work without being paid - many healthcare workers and others lost their day jobs so did unpaid work. If you are a commercial pilot and you are doing a job as a commercial pilot for an entity that is or could be a customer it is work whether you get paid or not. So the flying out is ok but as has been said you cant enter unless working on the incoming flight so you get caught coming in. I know some big employees have called foul but nobody is listening. You could offer to push the trolley along the cabin
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 18:42
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I did it this morning.. Just show your medical and prossional licence ... Away you go.. Don't try to make it a big deal... If you are working, explain that and the guy (girl) says OK !.. It's really that simple folks..

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Old 11th Jun 2020, 20:53
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There is no grey area. You are required to quarantine if you come to the U.K. and anywhere you land. It’s not considered essential commercial flying. I have just Ben through this with a planned flight from Cyprus.

Ferry flights are considered private flying regardless of the licence of the commander.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 21:19
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Er, I'm pretty sure you only have to quarantine for 14 days if you remain in the UK. Dont think the requirement is that you MUST remain for 14 days.
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Old 11th Jun 2020, 21:51
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How who you propose to remain in quarantine and leave the UK? Teleporting from your room to your home address perhaps?

By the way, I can come into the UK without fetter, as I do my essential work from here. If I ferry your aircraft abroad, and then return, there are no problems, other than the small matter of my day rate!

i guess this illustrates one of the many holes in the government’s system.

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Old 22nd Jun 2020, 14:01
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We're doing it all the time, a company letterhead(ed) explanation is how we do it.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 13:31
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When will this utter stupidity stop ?
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 22:44
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If you just fly out again how can anyone find you? You need to provide an address, just give the hotel where you will stay the first night. Then ferry the aircraft the next day. In the very unlikely event anyone goes looking for you you’ll be long gone.
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Old 22nd Jul 2020, 18:16
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Ferry flights are considered essential whilst done commercially. Including to-from the US.
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