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Do you mention amateur flying on your professional cv?

Old 19th Jan 2020, 15:05
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I think there are a whole bunch of other skills that are relevant and that flying can demonstrate - multi-tasking, working under pressure, being a good communicator, and many others. I would (and do) include it and explain briefly the skills it brings relevant to the job on offer... I personally think that to omit this would be selling yourself short!
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 16:19
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multi-tasking, working under pressure, being a good communicator,
What, like working in McDonald's?

So I wondered if the 'what a w*****r' reactions would outweigh the 'he must be a decent chap'
Thinking that others would believe the latter because of a PPL, tends to answer the former.
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 16:31
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When I read a cv, it is because we are looking for appropriate skills and experience, not chaps or chapesses to have a chat and a drink with. Yachtmasters, ppls etc are a double edged sword. Yes, they suggest other skills to people 'in the know' - but equally they show a significant effort outwith professional development. (ask me how I know!).

Anything more than a single line mention would entirely confirm those fears about focus. As would poor spelling, mindless punctuation and text talk.

Hence the middle part of this thread and many the crashing bores, who will regal anyone daft enough to listen, about the high skill levels necessary to keep a C150 in the air
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 17:34
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I put upwardly mobile on my CV...
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Old 19th Jan 2020, 23:34
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A quick mention in a list of leisure activities may be good (provided it's not the only leisure activity), but don't put it on tinder/grindr.

"How do you know when you're half way through your first date with a pilot? He says 'Enough about me, let's talk about flying'"
"Never ask your date if he's a pilot. If he is, he'll soon tell you."
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Old 20th Jan 2020, 16:23
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I once applied for a job with DERA, I was asked at the interview if my flying activities were likely to take priority over the job. Fortunately they did and I found a better job.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 23:57
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Definitely include - Its useful and mostly effective as a conversation point in seriously executed interviews, which helps immensely when building a rapport with the interviewer and gets you their attention.

In more junior roles it might be useful where industry experience examples are lacking as It corroborates certain traits (decision making, working under pressure etc). In experienced roles though Id never use that as a lead example unless the question was, or you wanted to make clear, its how do you demonstrate an attribute or conduct yourself personally outside the work environment.

A good interviewer will look for relevant examples and if it was a choice between candidates, all things equal, they will go with the most relevant evidence. If it was a business context, and the question is how you change your decision making style in emergencies, youd pick some one who talked about an example in a business context over someone who talked about declaring a mayday. The advantage you have is that if you gave both theyd go with you.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 15:18
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Originally Posted by MaxR View Post
I would suggest that concentrating on things like not using an apostrophe in "cv's" or littering your sentences with exclamation marks may be more likely to create the right impression.
Actually it is entirely legitimate to use an apostrophe in cvs. It indicates that the letters itae are omitted. Not to use one would also be ok. Its a matter of preference.

On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable...
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 16:10
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But shirly the 'itae' is already a plural and the plural (or for that matter a possessive " 's ") is redundant.

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Actually it is entirely legitimate to use an apostrophe in cvs. It indicates that the letters itae are omitted. Not to use one would also be ok. Its a matter of preference.

On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable...
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 18:01
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But shirly the 'itae' is already a plural and the plural (or for that matter a possessive " 's ") is redundant.
Don't call me Shirley...

'Curriculum Vitae' is like 'Court Martial' - the second word complements the first, and the first word changes to show the plural. Thus the plurals are Courts Martial and Curricula Vitae.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 18:41
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Originally Posted by Innominate View Post
Don't call me Shirley...

'Curriculum Vitae' is like 'Court Martial' - the second word complements the first, and the first word changes to show the plural. Thus the plurals are Courts Martial and Curricula Vitae.
Quite. Vitae is not plural but genitive. And with an abbreviation such as CV it is common to add an s to indicate the plural.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 19:02
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Why not use the (probably old-fashioned) "resume" instead of cv? Solves a few issues, and is clear and unequivocal.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 04:50
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Originally Posted by ppruined View Post
On the other hand to describe music and books as dreary, and thus to condemn two of the greatest art forms in the history of humanity, is surely unforgivable...
Indeed it would be unforgivable. But of course I did not describe books and music as dreary, I said that 'reading books and listening to music' is a dreary entry on a cv. I see this on many applications, occasionally I ask people what book they are currently reading and am usually met with startled silence. If a cv that said I enjoy the music of Bach, or I have interest in the magical realism genre, that would have sounded meaningful and might have led to an interesting conversation.

I once interviewed someone in Liverpool whose address was Whitworth Street. I asked them if they knew who Whitworth was and they had no idea. I made a brief attempt to engage them about the importance of a standard thread in enabling the industrial revolution. They showed not a flicker of interest or understanding and, after being rejected, complained to HR about being asked irrelevant questions. I always think that I dodged a bullet by not employing that person, in part because of their lack of awareness of their city's industrial history.

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Old 24th Jan 2020, 06:26
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Originally Posted by Jan Olieslagers View Post
Why not use the (probably old-fashioned) "resume" instead of cv? Solves a few issues, and is clear and unequivocal.
As long as you use resum, or even rsum, either of which I prefer to CV.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 07:51
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Resum vs CV - I think this sums it up: cv-vs-resume-difference-and-when-use-which

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Old 24th Jan 2020, 11:14
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Hehe, that is quite an eye-opener, OC619 - thank you!
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 19:37
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Originally Posted by OpenCirrus619 View Post
Resum vs CV - I think this sums it up: cv-vs-resume-difference-and-when-use-which

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I had to tweak my CV for every job I applied for. Until I took my degree off I didn't get any interviews, though since the job I eventually got required a degree I put it back for that.
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Old 24th Jan 2020, 20:20
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Well, this is getting us far from aviation, mods are welcome to prune (haha) as they see fit. With that reserve, regarding
I had to tweak my CV for every job I applied for.
A free-lance IT'er, I have been contacted by agencies who wanted to present me to their customers, but required me to tweak my cv/rsum to fit expectations. I have always refused that, saying that it was their client, not mine; and if they wanted to tweak my profile they were welcome, though I'd have to approve whatever they sent out. None seemed to like that, indeed some seemed to not understand. This was especially the case with UK agencies, who were and are quite active on the BE market (and LUX, too); in fact I have worked with quite a number of UK expat IT'ers in Brussels. Nice chaps, generally, and not stupid; but not above average ability either. I often wondered how their marketing got them landed in Brussels in such large numbers, and at quite handsome daily rates too. Brexit now sends them reeling off in all directions, I know of several who requested belgian citizenship recently; a few went the french way.

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Old 24th Jan 2020, 21:24
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WIth the modern tendency to do everything with online forms, there's a running joke particularly in academia that the reason it's called a CV is that once you have it populated, it's then a regular process of...

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Old 27th Jan 2020, 19:21
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Originally Posted by double_barrel View Post
Ok, here's a strange one.
If you were to apply for a leadership position in an 'applied academic/research' setting, would you refer to your flying qualifications/experience in an 'outside interests' section?!!
What do you reckon? Do any of you do this? If it matters, I am a Brit and preparing an application to a US organization and it is likely to be reviewed by American Academic 'suits'.

Do you know what sort of CV are they looking for? I've never seen an academic CV that had 'outside interests' and I don't think it would leave a good impression if it did. For an academic CV keep it to the standard template: education and employment history, skills/ research interests, grants, publications and key talks.

I moved from academia to industry recently but used an academic CV as they were obviously looking for a scientist and it (perhaps) looked a bit more credible. If you wanted something more corporate, then I imagine that there is more freedom to play around with it. Either way, I'd keep outside interests very low-key in any CV but I would think that flying qualifications could demonstrate professionally relevant skills to a much greater degree than some things that people put down.
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