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DamienB Top photos mate - I believe it! Flapless approach need not be an emergency though... probably just practice and may explain why the fella ended up a bit low. I don't see that there'd be any offence that CAA would follow-up though..? How about coming over to Booker one Sat/Sun and position youself on final for our rwy 25 from the other side of the motorway... I've always wonderd how close we must look to the motorway traffic! 
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Aussie - looking at a map that looks like a tricky proposition, and quite some distance from the end of 25... surely you're not down to < 100 ft over the motorway? Any more than that and it wouldn't look very impressive...
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seems nobody out there can do the simple job of developing negs without cocking it up
(saved buying it for myself). Can process a film for peanuts, and scan them at high res....Ok, you've convinced me the photo's are real, nice job!
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Thanks for that, mate ... it is all well and good to read up on professional writeups .. but what we need is the lowdown from the real world user .....
I have a reasonable prior investment in a couple of A1 bodies and a bunch of high end Canon lenses predating the EOS lenses ... have you tried any of the earlier Canon lenses at all with manual settings ? .. and have you overcome the problem with the generics as yet ?
Ref the AF problem, how do the internal algorithms correlate with manual exposure meter readings, if you have played it that way to date ?
.. and the multiplier aspect is nice ... we have done a bit of tech video work in the past with long lenses on .. with a multiplier around 3- 3.5 .... contemplate the fun with a 3500mm lens hung off the end of your average 35mm body ....... and the problems of avoiding body shake .......
If it is not too rude a question, what sort of street price for the body over on your side of the world ?
Thanks for that, mate ... it is all well and good to read up on professional writeups .. but what we need is the lowdown from the real world user .....
I have a reasonable prior investment in a couple of A1 bodies and a bunch of high end Canon lenses predating the EOS lenses ... have you tried any of the earlier Canon lenses at all with manual settings ? .. and have you overcome the problem with the generics as yet ?
Ref the AF problem, how do the internal algorithms correlate with manual exposure meter readings, if you have played it that way to date ?
.. and the multiplier aspect is nice ... we have done a bit of tech video work in the past with long lenses on .. with a multiplier around 3- 3.5 .... contemplate the fun with a 3500mm lens hung off the end of your average 35mm body ....... and the problems of avoiding body shake .......
If it is not too rude a question, what sort of street price for the body over on your side of the world ?
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For what my input is worth, I can't believe these pictures. Had Damien said that they were taken during successive circuits, hence the different vehicles, I would believe it. A Jet Provost moves a whole 'length' forward (at what surely must be 100kts+, flapless), yet a horsebox that has by Damiens own admission, braked hard enough to cause screeching, manages to get itself into the right gear, and accelerate forward fast enough to completely disappear from the next picture. I'm sorry, call me a doubting Thomas, but this isn't quite a 'magic bullet', but it's pretty close. Horseboxes just don't have that good acceleration after slamming the anchors on. Also, had there been a horse inside, most drivers would want to check that the horse was ok after a decceleration of that magnitude.
Speaking photographic though, does anybody want to buy a Canon EF300mm f2.8L? Pristine. PPL forces sale. E-mail me for a bargain.your taking the wee-wee here now, If i remove this bit of your thread then i get another thread pop up with everyone bleating about me being heavy handed but if i leave it, i get a a nice e-mail from Danny saying whats going on in your forum..!!!!!! Can't win.....!!!! (Would it fit on a EOS10Pro body by the way....?? )
Speaking photographic though, does anybody want to buy a Canon EF300mm f2.8L? Pristine. PPL forces sale. E-mail me for a bargain.
your taking the wee-wee here now, If i remove this bit of your thread then i get another thread pop up with everyone bleating about me being heavy handed but if i leave it, i get a a nice e-mail from Danny saying whats going on in your forum..!!!!!! Can't win.....!!!! (Would it fit on a EOS10Pro body by the way....?? )
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Hello All,
Thanks for taking such an interest in my flying.
Not sure if the photos are real, but the lesson is the same everyone on the ground and in the air should keep a really good lookout from both.
For those interested, I have spoken with the CAA about the event.
For those who actully fly jets:
1. Yes we do and should practice flapless landings, an hydraulic failure in any aircraft is a manageable emergency.... ONLY if pilots are well trained and practiced. We are both
2. The canopy is cracked 'cos one of the individuals inside was not feeling too well and the aircraft will happily fly at landing speeds with the canopy open.
3. There is a sign on both ends of the road that says in red "Danger Low Flying Aircraft" or some such clear message.
Hope this helps...
Thanks for taking such an interest in my flying.
Not sure if the photos are real, but the lesson is the same everyone on the ground and in the air should keep a really good lookout from both.
For those interested, I have spoken with the CAA about the event.
For those who actully fly jets:
1. Yes we do and should practice flapless landings, an hydraulic failure in any aircraft is a manageable emergency.... ONLY if pilots are well trained and practiced. We are both
2. The canopy is cracked 'cos one of the individuals inside was not feeling too well and the aircraft will happily fly at landing speeds with the canopy open.
3. There is a sign on both ends of the road that says in red "Danger Low Flying Aircraft" or some such clear message.
Hope this helps...
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Oh me of little faith....
Damien, may I suggest you re post your honestguv.jpg, but re-arrange the photos as a landscape, rather than in the order they were taken from left to right. I've just printed it, sliced it up and arranged it as a landscape. I'm convinced. Will you ever forgive me? Will anybody ever care?
Damien, may I suggest you re post your honestguv.jpg, but re-arrange the photos as a landscape, rather than in the order they were taken from left to right. I've just printed it, sliced it up and arranged it as a landscape. I'm convinced. Will you ever forgive me? Will anybody ever care?
And presumably the lorry driver will pay a little more attention to low flying aircraft signs in future!
Having said that, I think the point was probably well made that it might have been appropriate to be little higher as you crossed the road if traffic was visible. (But, isn't retrospect wonderful. You were flying a flapless approach, with a mildly unhappy pax, in a jet with poor ergonomics and a very high coaming, I don't suppose it was high on your "to do" list).
Nice looking jet.
G
Having said that, I think the point was probably well made that it might have been appropriate to be little higher as you crossed the road if traffic was visible. (But, isn't retrospect wonderful. You were flying a flapless approach, with a mildly unhappy pax, in a jet with poor ergonomics and a very high coaming, I don't suppose it was high on your "to do" list).
Nice looking jet.
G
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G'day Mitten - presumably speaking to CAA was only precautionary, as I can't imagine what rule was broken? Rule 5 doesn't apply during approach, right?
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John - haven't got any non-EOS lenses, sorry. Not bothered about the Sigma & Cosina not working well with AF, the Sigma is up for sale and the Cosina will be joining it unless I get some good results from it in manual mode.
Price - have seen it for 1850 from one place in Cornwall, but he had no stock and no idea when he would get any. Ended up paying 2000, but 9 months interest free credit eases the pain.
Grim Reaper - I'll forgive you, call it 50 quid for the lens then?
Expedite - nope. Had a polariser on the lens. Light level varies considerably as you point at different parts of the sky - at 90 degrees to the sun the polarising effect darkens the sky nicely, but at 180 degrees it has no effect so the sky lightens dramatically, and I was over-exposing to keep detail on the subject rather than the sky, it gets washed out in the last two shots when I have turned to put the sun directly behind me.
mitten - if you want the original file to print out for posterity let me know. Apologies if any embarassment caused! Liked the fast pass just before this approach, also got a nice shot of that if you'd like.
This is not the only low approach I've seen at Cranfield and I would have thought that road warranted stop lights myself.
Genghis - I doubt mitten could have seen the lorry until far too late, there are trees either side of the road where it was coming from, and it would be totally hidden except from directly overhead.
Now, those free flights from the doubters... anybody got anything fast and noisy?
Price - have seen it for 1850 from one place in Cornwall, but he had no stock and no idea when he would get any. Ended up paying 2000, but 9 months interest free credit eases the pain.
Grim Reaper - I'll forgive you, call it 50 quid for the lens then?
Expedite - nope. Had a polariser on the lens. Light level varies considerably as you point at different parts of the sky - at 90 degrees to the sun the polarising effect darkens the sky nicely, but at 180 degrees it has no effect so the sky lightens dramatically, and I was over-exposing to keep detail on the subject rather than the sky, it gets washed out in the last two shots when I have turned to put the sun directly behind me.
mitten - if you want the original file to print out for posterity let me know. Apologies if any embarassment caused! Liked the fast pass just before this approach, also got a nice shot of that if you'd like.
This is not the only low approach I've seen at Cranfield and I would have thought that road warranted stop lights myself.
Genghis - I doubt mitten could have seen the lorry until far too late, there are trees either side of the road where it was coming from, and it would be totally hidden except from directly overhead.
Now, those free flights from the doubters... anybody got anything fast and noisy?
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DamienB,
Thanks for the offer, I'd love both photos... could you email them?
All,
Yes the call from the CAA was one of guidance and advice. There are some individuals within its hallowed walls who have forgotten more about landing jets than I will probably ever know.
They discussed the event and offered good council.
Thanks for the offer, I'd love both photos... could you email them?
All,
Yes the call from the CAA was one of guidance and advice. There are some individuals within its hallowed walls who have forgotten more about landing jets than I will probably ever know.
They discussed the event and offered good council.
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I trust those who wanted them know where to get the pics now, if I missed anyone, PM again.
Big Red L - immaterial whether it fits your camera or not, he's selling it to me for 50 quid after all.
Big Red L - immaterial whether it fits your camera or not, he's selling it to me for 50 quid after all.