Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

US rocket launch cancelled after small plane enters restricted airspace

Wikiposts
Search
Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

US rocket launch cancelled after small plane enters restricted airspace

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12th Nov 2017, 00:38
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,852
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
US rocket launch cancelled after small plane enters restricted airspace

A private pilot who can't read a map?
US rocket launch aborted after small plane enters airspace - BBC News
rotornut is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2017, 01:28
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The No Transgression Zone
Posts: 2,483
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Check NOTAMS!
Pugilistic Animus is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2017, 02:48
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 1A
Posts: 8,556
Received 75 Likes on 43 Posts
Class E airspace? See and Avoid!
Capn Bloggs is online now  
Old 12th Nov 2017, 03:28
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,955
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Class E airspace? See and Avoid!
How droll !

Bloggsie, my dear chap,
Your contempt for US airspace management is well know, after all, the rest of the world is out of step, with Australia, "the only soldier in the battalion in step", the only country "doing it right".

The Pugilist has got it right, the whole area is covered by R ( R as in restricted, just as a reminder about R-) -6604, activated by NOTAM, with areas outside the legal jurisdiction of the US designated, in accordance with treaty obligations, as W- (Warning) areas.

Quite unlike the Australian practice of promulgating allegedly Restricted (and Prohibited) area outside Australia's national boundaries, actions that, being contrary to international law and treaties, have no legal effect.

A lot of history here, one of the oldest test ranges/ experimental flight test sites in the US, and the world, for that matter.
LeadSled is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2017, 03:55
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 1A
Posts: 8,556
Received 75 Likes on 43 Posts
the whole area is covered by R ( R as in restricted, just as a reminder about R-) -6604, activated by NOTAM,
Was that an RA1, RA2 or an RA3?!
Capn Bloggs is online now  
Old 12th Nov 2017, 22:27
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,955
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Blogsie,
Just R-6604 will do.
LeadSled is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2017, 00:52
  #7 (permalink)  
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: On the Beach
Posts: 3,336
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If I am more than 12 miles off shore, cannot I choose to ignore a Warning Area? (from a regulatory standpoint)
aterpster is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2017, 02:18
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The No Transgression Zone
Posts: 2,483
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
After passing the ADIZ I believe that you can indeed enter a warning zone at your own risk
Pugilistic Animus is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2017, 04:41
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus
After passing the ADIZ I believe that you can indeed enter a warning zone at your own risk
ADIZ is entirely unrelated to a country's statutory authority, something else and often extends well outside a country's territorial airspace.
A Squared is offline  
Old 20th Nov 2017, 00:55
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 4,955
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
aterpster,
WARNING areas will only be found outside the boundary of a country, generally 12 miles, but there are a couple where the country is a bit behind on treaties so it could be only three miles.
In a country like Australia, with purported P, R and D area well beyond the 12 mile limit have no legal standing.
The USA is very particular about conforming the the Law of the Seas Treaty (by whatever its precisely correct name) , not true of every country.
ADIZ is not relevant.
Tootle Pip!!
LeadSled is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 17:55
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The No Transgression Zone
Posts: 2,483
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
The ADIZ in the US is 12 miles
Pugilistic Animus is offline  
Old 29th Nov 2017, 18:25
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus
The ADIZ in the US is 12 miles
No, it is not. The ADIZ has nothing to do with the extent of sovereign territorial waters or airspace. An ADIZ is an area in which a country has stated that it reserves the right to identify aircraft operating in that area which appear to be on a course to enter the county's sovereign airspace. It is not a claim of the airspace as sovereign airspace. An ADIZ typically extends well beyond territorial airspace.
A Squared is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2017, 01:27
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The No Transgression Zone
Posts: 2,483
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
Fly offshore here in the US 12 miles from the coastline then turn back without A DVFR flight plan and you'll get a nice close up view of F15s or 16s...
Pugilistic Animus is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2017, 02:55
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus
Fly offshore here in the US 12 miles from the coastline then turn back without A DVFR flight plan and you'll get a nice close up view of F15s or 16s...
That is most likely true, but saying that doesn't make the ADIZ 12 miles. The ADIZ has a very specific definition and it has very little to do with the extent of sovereign airspace. I'm not sure why you keep trying to defend your misconception, there's an abundance of information available on what an ADIZ is. Wikipedia, for example has a pretty good description of ADIZs, they also have a chart of the North American ADIZ and it's pretty clear that it has nothing to do with the 12 mile limit, in fact extends far beyond it in many places. Sometimes my friend, it's a lot easier to simply accept that you were mistaken, instead of trying to insist that you were correct, when all the evidence is telling you you were mistaken. This is one of those times.
A Squared is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2017, 03:27
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: The No Transgression Zone
Posts: 2,483
Received 5 Likes on 3 Posts
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/us_restrictions/airspace/
Pugilistic Animus is offline  
Old 1st Dec 2017, 03:45
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Alaska, PNG, etc.
Age: 60
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus
https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/us_restrictions/airspace/

Give it up, buddy. You're only making yourself look foolish. There is simply no way that you can "prove" that the ADIZ is the same thing as the 12 mile territorial limit. It isn't. Period.
A Squared is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2017, 11:22
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: london
Age: 60
Posts: 439
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Useful USA adiz map showing various dimensions. Also no ADIZ when crossing from Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_De...f_the_ADIZ.jpg
custardpsc is offline  
Old 6th Dec 2017, 18:33
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,777
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Elon Musk may have solved this problem on his Mars rocket trial, if the nosecone Tesla has sensors for automatically avoiding other vehicles, pedestrians, etc, and the Tesla computers are linked to the rocket motor control system. Enabling the rocket to detect and safely avoid Piper Cubs. ☺
Maoraigh1 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.