IFR filing outside CAS!!
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IFR filing outside CAS!!
Guys, I need clarification. All the posts I read just wonder into an abyss of replies and the answer is not given. I want a definitive answer, not an essay.
I'm departing a class D airfield. It's IMC conditions and want to depart IFR, however I want to remain in uncontrolled airspace all the way to landing. NO AIRWAYS or busy LC frequencies and not Y or Z malarkey. Class D requirements say I have to file a FlightPlan.
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
2/ In the altitude column, what do I state? Do I say an altitude that will keep me outside CAS (e.g. 2000ft or VFR)?
3/ Should I put a note in item 18 stating "want to remain outside CAS?
Previous posts just labour on and on, TMI, want the correct answer and if possible a reference on either ICAO or CAA publications.
I'm departing a class D airfield. It's IMC conditions and want to depart IFR, however I want to remain in uncontrolled airspace all the way to landing. NO AIRWAYS or busy LC frequencies and not Y or Z malarkey. Class D requirements say I have to file a FlightPlan.
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
2/ In the altitude column, what do I state? Do I say an altitude that will keep me outside CAS (e.g. 2000ft or VFR)?
3/ Should I put a note in item 18 stating "want to remain outside CAS?
Previous posts just labour on and on, TMI, want the correct answer and if possible a reference on either ICAO or CAA publications.
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Pick a route that includes IFR waypoints close to departure and arrival. Pick an altitude ideally in line with the semicircular rule or 3000 ft or below
File I
An example could be Gloucester to Alderney
File I
Altitude 5000
Route EGBJ DCT WOTAN DCT ORTAC DCT EGJA
That's it.
On departure you'll get an IFR clearance from ATC, follow it until you reach the clearance limit OCAS then do what you like but tell ATC first if under a traffic service.
File I
An example could be Gloucester to Alderney
File I
Altitude 5000
Route EGBJ DCT WOTAN DCT ORTAC DCT EGJA
That's it.
On departure you'll get an IFR clearance from ATC, follow it until you reach the clearance limit OCAS then do what you like but tell ATC first if under a traffic service.
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I'm departing a class D airfield. It's IMC conditions and want to depart IFR, however I want to remain in uncontrolled airspace all the way to landing. NO AIRWAYS or busy LC frequencies and not Y or Z malarkey. Class D requirements say I have to file a FlightPlan.
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
In particular see ENR ENR 1.10-2 Para 1.4 which explains that an abbreviated (telephoned) FPL will suffice to fly within your CTR whether VFR or IFR, and without having to submit a full FPL:
An Abbreviated Flight Plan is the limited information required to obtain a clearance for a portion of flight, filed either by telephone prior to take-off or by radiotelephony (RTF) when airborne. This might apply in the case of a required clearance to fly in a Control Zone (CTR) or crossing an Airway. No flight plan form is submitted and the destination aerodrome will not be informed. An abbreviated flight plan transmitted in the air by radiotelephony for the crossing of controlled airspace or any other areas or routes designated by the competent authority normally contains as a minimum: call sign, aircraft type, point of entry, point of exit and level.
In the case of a departure from an aerodrome within a CTR an Abbreviated FPL may be sufficient to obtain clearance to depart the aerodrome and route to the appropriate CTR/CTA boundary. However, some aerodromes require aircraft to follow designated noise preferential routes which may be identified as Standard Departure Routes (SDRs) depending on the outbound track of the flight.
A Full flight plan must be filed if the pilot requires the destination aerodrome to be notified of the flight.
In the case of a departure from an aerodrome within a CTR an Abbreviated FPL may be sufficient to obtain clearance to depart the aerodrome and route to the appropriate CTR/CTA boundary. However, some aerodromes require aircraft to follow designated noise preferential routes which may be identified as Standard Departure Routes (SDRs) depending on the outbound track of the flight.
A Full flight plan must be filed if the pilot requires the destination aerodrome to be notified of the flight.
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The abbreviated flight plan is more usually known as "booking out" and if your class D airfield supports that then it works fine unless you need to formally file a flight plan as you would in the example I quoted of UK to CI
Guys, I need clarification. All the posts I read just wonder into an abyss of replies and the answer is not given. I want a definitive answer, not an essay.
I'm departing a class D airfield. It's IMC conditions and want to depart IFR, however I want to remain in uncontrolled airspace all the way to landing. NO AIRWAYS or busy LC frequencies and not Y or Z malarkey. Class D requirements say I have to file a FlightPlan.
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
2/ In the altitude column, what do I state? Do I say an altitude that will keep me outside CAS (e.g. 2000ft or VFR)?
3/ Should I put a note in item 18 stating "want to remain outside CAS?
Previous posts just labour on and on, TMI, want the correct answer and if possible a reference on either ICAO or CAA publications.
I'm departing a class D airfield. It's IMC conditions and want to depart IFR, however I want to remain in uncontrolled airspace all the way to landing. NO AIRWAYS or busy LC frequencies and not Y or Z malarkey. Class D requirements say I have to file a FlightPlan.
FlightPlan:
1/ How do I file the FlightPlan, V or I?
2/ In the altitude column, what do I state? Do I say an altitude that will keep me outside CAS (e.g. 2000ft or VFR)?
3/ Should I put a note in item 18 stating "want to remain outside CAS?
Previous posts just labour on and on, TMI, want the correct answer and if possible a reference on either ICAO or CAA publications.
If you're flying through the area of operation of a LARS unit, try to get the FPL addressed to them; they may not get it but it's worth a try. Also make sure it doesn't just go to the IFPS clearing centre, address it as you would a VFR plan otherwise IFPS will probably reject it or just send it to departure and destination airfields.
In the level column, file whatever level you think you will cruise at. No need in my opinion to mention you're stating outside controlled airspace, that will be evident from your route and cruising level.