i dont believe it!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTM-paAXCo
i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.
He may even be more stupid than you think.
i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.
He may even be more stupid than you think.
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As I wrote before, you cannot be too careful when prop-swinging on your own (or with someone inexperienced in the aeroplane).
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I think if you read the beginning of the thread you may note that this hand start was perfectly successful, the pilot taxied away perfectly safely afterward.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTM-paAXCo
i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.
He may even be more stupid than you think.
i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.
He may even be more stupid than you think.
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Senior Instructors
Probably from British Airways, have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
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I agree with memories of PX, I think that procedure constitutes filing an MOR, under the heading of Reportable Occurrence. and ATC, i think you'll find BA is an equal opportunities employer, not all captains are he!
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What happened to the expression in aviation,
"Never assume, always check".
Perhaps the perpetrator of this apparently heinous crime had already done that.
Why did the critical observers not do the same?
"Never assume, always check".
Perhaps the perpetrator of this apparently heinous crime had already done that.
Why did the critical observers not do the same?
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In Ann Welch's book, 'Accidents Happen', she described an incident in which a glider tug took off, with a glider on the back, neither of which had anyone aboard.
As I recall, the glider was hooked onto the tug, which then had starting problems. The tug pilot went to the hangar for tools, and was away some time. The glider pilot became bored waiting and got out. The tug pilot came back, tinkered with the engine and hand swung the prop. Needless to setting the throttle setting was high, so the tug pilot leapt out of the way as the tug burst into life, and then watched the pair disappear off down the field and briefly into the air.
Multiple lumps of Swiss cheese all in a row...
As I recall, the glider was hooked onto the tug, which then had starting problems. The tug pilot went to the hangar for tools, and was away some time. The glider pilot became bored waiting and got out. The tug pilot came back, tinkered with the engine and hand swung the prop. Needless to setting the throttle setting was high, so the tug pilot leapt out of the way as the tug burst into life, and then watched the pair disappear off down the field and briefly into the air.
Multiple lumps of Swiss cheese all in a row...
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have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
Anyhow, no idea about "senior instructor".......I was an A2 at CFS but didn't hang around long enough to get senior.......
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Probably from British Airways, have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
His reply? "Passenger reassurance!"
Still not sure if he was kidding me or not...
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When you join BA you are a 'First Officer' with two stripes.
After four years you are promoted to 'Senior First Officer' and get three stripes.
That's it until you make Captain with four stripes.
There is no difference between SH and LH. Plenty of LH two-stripers and plenty of SH three-stripers.
You could go straight from two to four stripes if you bid successfully for an unpopular command during your first four years.
There is also a 'seven year interview' where they need to see that you've actually got an unfrozen ATPL so that you can go to pay point eight. Until you achieve it, you're stuck on pay point seven. This only applies (obviously) to Senior First Officers.
There used to be some sort of 'cap' on LH SFOs' pay (16 years?) if they hadn't bid for a SH command by that point but that may have gone now.
The whole structure is rooted in history and assumes a bright-eyed 20-year-old joining straight out of Hamble. It's a bit archaic when you're dealing with DEPs who may have been training captains in a previous life. (Who, moi?)
BTW, the BMI merger (take-over?) saw many of their FOs keep their three stripes. Good for them!
After four years you are promoted to 'Senior First Officer' and get three stripes.
That's it until you make Captain with four stripes.
There is no difference between SH and LH. Plenty of LH two-stripers and plenty of SH three-stripers.
You could go straight from two to four stripes if you bid successfully for an unpopular command during your first four years.
There is also a 'seven year interview' where they need to see that you've actually got an unfrozen ATPL so that you can go to pay point eight. Until you achieve it, you're stuck on pay point seven. This only applies (obviously) to Senior First Officers.
There used to be some sort of 'cap' on LH SFOs' pay (16 years?) if they hadn't bid for a SH command by that point but that may have gone now.
The whole structure is rooted in history and assumes a bright-eyed 20-year-old joining straight out of Hamble. It's a bit archaic when you're dealing with DEPs who may have been training captains in a previous life. (Who, moi?)
BTW, the BMI merger (take-over?) saw many of their FOs keep their three stripes. Good for them!
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A junior first officer is allowed to hand swing a Stampe, whilst under the supervision of a senior FO or higher who has been trained in chocking.
A senior FO who has been trained and endorsed in chocking is allowed to hand swing a Stampe, unsupervised.
An instructor is capable of training and endorsing pilots to chock a Stampe.
A senior Instructor is capable of telling everyone how Stampes were so much harder to swing in their day when they hadn't invented chocks yet.
A Stampe is an aircraft with two wings.
A senior Stampe is also known as a triplane.
A Captain wears 4 stripes and pronounces chocks as chockies and thinks chockies these days are not as tasty as when they were an FO.
A senior FO who has been trained and endorsed in chocking is allowed to hand swing a Stampe, unsupervised.
An instructor is capable of training and endorsing pilots to chock a Stampe.
A senior Instructor is capable of telling everyone how Stampes were so much harder to swing in their day when they hadn't invented chocks yet.
A Stampe is an aircraft with two wings.
A senior Stampe is also known as a triplane.
A Captain wears 4 stripes and pronounces chocks as chockies and thinks chockies these days are not as tasty as when they were an FO.
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further to my last, i have discovered that its the airfield that will not allow the group to keep a set of chocks down at the pumps, its a HEALTH and SAFETY issue!!, they are a trip hazard!, on the balance of probability, i would have thought it less hazardous for someone to trip over a chock than get mown down by a runaway aircraft, but what do i know!
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further to my last, i have discovered that its the airfield that will not allow the group to keep a set of chocks down at the pumps, its a HEALTH and SAFETY issue!!, they are a trip hazard!, on the balance of probability, i would have thought it less hazardous for someone to trip over a chock than get mown down by a runaway aircraft, but what do i know!
Even if you're not allowed to keep a set of "chockies" at the pump, SURELY one can plan ahead and bring their own set with them when going to the pump?
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its a HEALTH and SAFETY issue!!, they are a trip hazard!
I guess that everyone is wearing fireproof high vis vest now, so the next "risk" must be addressed.