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Old 20th Apr 2017, 21:01
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Originally Posted by Jim59 View Post
Isn't it an FI(S) under EASA rules?
Ha!! Brilliant!
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 10:27
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One of these should be able to define the breed:
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:35
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I was fortunate enough, when he was a alive, to do a few instructor renewals with the late great Ron Campbell, i would class him as Senior, nothing to do with his age.
And one of those senior instructors in the pic was indeed in the my aircraft shaking their head!

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:55
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And one of those senior instructors in the pic was indeed in the my aircraft shaking their head!

If you feel strongly about the incident, why don't you have a word with the pilot in question?
He may even be more senior than you think.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 17:11
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTM-paAXCo

i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.

He may even be more stupid than you think.

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 17:22
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Originally Posted by memories of px View Post
Funny at first then terrifying.

As I wrote before, you cannot be too careful when prop-swinging on your own (or with someone inexperienced in the aeroplane).
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 18:11
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Originally Posted by Forfoxake View Post
Funny at first then terrifying.

As I wrote before, you cannot be too careful when prop-swinging on your own (or with someone inexperienced in the aeroplane).
I think if you read the beginning of the thread you may note that this hand start was perfectly successful, the pilot taxied away perfectly safely afterward.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 20:40
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Originally Posted by memories of px View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTM-paAXCo

i think youre getting the word senior confused with the word stupid.

He may even be more stupid than you think.
I actually doubt it. But the fact that you, as a "senior" instructor, did not consider it worthwhile finding out before condemning him on a public forum seems more in line with stupidity.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 20:51
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Senior Instructors

Probably from British Airways, have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 21:38
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I agree with memories of PX, I think that procedure constitutes filing an MOR, under the heading of Reportable Occurrence. and ATC, i think you'll find BA is an equal opportunities employer, not all captains are he!
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 11:53
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What happened to the expression in aviation,
"Never assume, always check".
Perhaps the perpetrator of this apparently heinous crime had already done that.
Why did the critical observers not do the same?
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 12:26
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In Ann Welch's book, 'Accidents Happen', she described an incident in which a glider tug took off, with a glider on the back, neither of which had anyone aboard.

As I recall, the glider was hooked onto the tug, which then had starting problems. The tug pilot went to the hangar for tools, and was away some time. The glider pilot became bored waiting and got out. The tug pilot came back, tinkered with the engine and hand swung the prop. Needless to setting the throttle setting was high, so the tug pilot leapt out of the way as the tug burst into life, and then watched the pair disappear off down the field and briefly into the air.

Multiple lumps of Swiss cheese all in a row...
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 12:38
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have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
BA ( and many other airlines) have "Senior First Officer" as a specific "rank"/job title/job description. FWIW pilots start off (in BA at least) as a "two ringer", i.e. a "First officer" and then at some point get promoted up to a three ringer and become "Senior First Officers"...

Anyhow, no idea about "senior instructor".......I was an A2 at CFS but didn't hang around long enough to get senior.......

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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 12:40
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Probably from British Airways, have you ever noticed during the Captains blurb to the pax he is nearly always accompanied by Senior First Officer blogs, WTF is a senior F/O.
Many years ago, whilst on a fam flight [not BA] with a F/O friend of mine, the captain's PA included the "senior first officer" bit. I asked my friend what was the difference between a first officer and a senior first officer.

His reply? "Passenger reassurance!"

Still not sure if he was kidding me or not...
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 12:42
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SFO is a BA 'rank', promotion after X years at the company. Pretty much all longhaul FOs are SFOs, shorthaul are FOs. Three stripes instead of two.
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 14:48
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When you join BA you are a 'First Officer' with two stripes.
After four years you are promoted to 'Senior First Officer' and get three stripes.
That's it until you make Captain with four stripes.

There is no difference between SH and LH. Plenty of LH two-stripers and plenty of SH three-stripers.

You could go straight from two to four stripes if you bid successfully for an unpopular command during your first four years.

There is also a 'seven year interview' where they need to see that you've actually got an unfrozen ATPL so that you can go to pay point eight. Until you achieve it, you're stuck on pay point seven. This only applies (obviously) to Senior First Officers.

There used to be some sort of 'cap' on LH SFOs' pay (16 years?) if they hadn't bid for a SH command by that point but that may have gone now.

The whole structure is rooted in history and assumes a bright-eyed 20-year-old joining straight out of Hamble. It's a bit archaic when you're dealing with DEPs who may have been training captains in a previous life. (Who, moi?)

BTW, the BMI merger (take-over?) saw many of their FOs keep their three stripes. Good for them!
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 14:37
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Is there such a rank as a Junior/Senior Thread Drifter....?
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Old 24th Apr 2017, 05:29
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Is there such a rank as a Junior/Senior Thread Drifter....?
A junior first officer is allowed to hand swing a Stampe, whilst under the supervision of a senior FO or higher who has been trained in chocking.

A senior FO who has been trained and endorsed in chocking is allowed to hand swing a Stampe, unsupervised.

An instructor is capable of training and endorsing pilots to chock a Stampe.

A senior Instructor is capable of telling everyone how Stampes were so much harder to swing in their day when they hadn't invented chocks yet.

A Stampe is an aircraft with two wings.

A senior Stampe is also known as a triplane.

A Captain wears 4 stripes and pronounces chocks as chockies and thinks chockies these days are not as tasty as when they were an FO.
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Old 10th May 2017, 08:07
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further to my last, i have discovered that its the airfield that will not allow the group to keep a set of chocks down at the pumps, its a HEALTH and SAFETY issue!!, they are a trip hazard!, on the balance of probability, i would have thought it less hazardous for someone to trip over a chock than get mown down by a runaway aircraft, but what do i know!
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Old 10th May 2017, 09:29
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Originally Posted by memories of px View Post
further to my last, i have discovered that its the airfield that will not allow the group to keep a set of chocks down at the pumps, its a HEALTH and SAFETY issue!!, they are a trip hazard!, on the balance of probability, i would have thought it less hazardous for someone to trip over a chock than get mown down by a runaway aircraft, but what do i know!
Wait..... seriously?!?? That is a joke isn't it?

Even if you're not allowed to keep a set of "chockies" at the pump, SURELY one can plan ahead and bring their own set with them when going to the pump?
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