UK poor for Night Flying - HELP!!
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UK poor for Night Flying - HELP!!
I have had my PPL for about 9 years now coupled with the Night Rating, however it seems that i have done very little with regards to flying at night.
I have looked and seem what the UK has to offer, and to my surprise there are very few options for night flying
there are some H24 locations but they are very expensive to operate from, the smaller airfields that open 1 maybe 2 night a week are very poor times.
where can I fly in the UK for long late night flight evenings? Is there any new airfields with PCL?
Advise would be good.
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I have looked and seem what the UK has to offer, and to my surprise there are very few options for night flying
there are some H24 locations but they are very expensive to operate from, the smaller airfields that open 1 maybe 2 night a week are very poor times.
where can I fly in the UK for long late night flight evenings? Is there any new airfields with PCL?
Advise would be good.
VFR
You are correct - it's a problem.
It's worth contacting flying schools and clubs in areas of interest - it's not unusual going into the winter that they do a weekly night flying evening, and you may be able to plan around that.
But yes - I've had an NQ for 15 years, and am still in low double figure night hours. It's very hard to do meaningful night flying in this country save between expensive regional airports.
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It's worth contacting flying schools and clubs in areas of interest - it's not unusual going into the winter that they do a weekly night flying evening, and you may be able to plan around that.
But yes - I've had an NQ for 15 years, and am still in low double figure night hours. It's very hard to do meaningful night flying in this country save between expensive regional airports.
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I plan on having a few night lessons for the experience but won't do a full rating for this reason. The flying club I'm at is a good example of this, it has lighting, nice runway, but due to restrictions there doesn't seem to be an enormous amount you can do other than a potter around in the local area, in the winter as its dark early.
Sorry, I know this doesn't help at all!
Sorry, I know this doesn't help at all!
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Brad,
Still do the course it's worth it as you never know when you need it, I left the UK for Jersey a few years ago and got held up; with a delay into Jersey the end result meant we arrived at night and the last to arrive.
GTE,
Thanks for the tip, I will ring some locals and see what they offer. I fear that to do any decent night flying, I'm gonna need to operate between Regional airports
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Still do the course it's worth it as you never know when you need it, I left the UK for Jersey a few years ago and got held up; with a delay into Jersey the end result meant we arrived at night and the last to arrive.
GTE,
Thanks for the tip, I will ring some locals and see what they offer. I fear that to do any decent night flying, I'm gonna need to operate between Regional airports
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In rural or mountainous areas I personally wouldn't fly at night in winter without an instrument ticket. I've done a lot of night flying but most of it was over populated areas and well defined coastlines.
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One of the main factors is that the CAA does not allow pilot controlled lighting at uncontrolled airfields.
I seem to recall that ther was some talk of relaxing this so maybe in the future........
I seem to recall that ther was some talk of relaxing this so maybe in the future........
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I personally wouldn't contemplate intentionally night flying in a piston single. Call me chicken but the 2 min of gliding down into the inky blackness following it going quiet would be awful. That said, Thruxton have a good night setup and might be a good option for a launch/recovery site.
There are some private strips with lighting. Though the flare paths are often at non-standard spacing and have unlit hazards. EG my strip has trees on the approach.
No pilot activated lighting at uncontrolled airports?
That would never work in Australia.
That would never work in Australia.
While I wouldn't recommend NVFR over some of our terrain it's certainly easy to do NVFR X-Country flights here.
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VFR,
Depends what you want to achieve.
I flew from Conington some years ago who have a very organised late Thursday to support night flying.
I currently fly out of Coventry which is 24 hrs during the week.
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Depends what you want to achieve.
I flew from Conington some years ago who have a very organised late Thursday to support night flying.
I currently fly out of Coventry which is 24 hrs during the week.
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I personally wouldn't contemplate intentionally night flying in a piston single. Call me chicken but the 2 min of gliding down into the inky blackness following it going quiet would be awful. That said, Thruxton have a good night setup and might be a good option for a launch/recovery site.
1) Turn external lights off and head for the darkest expanse of ground below you
2) a few hundred feet above ground, turn the landing lights on
3) if you don't like what you're looking at, turn the lights off again........
Humorous no doubt but night flying is something else, last New Year's Eve I was able to fly across the Ruhr Valley at midnight and watch the fireworks from above.... and the landing fee / parking / circuits (in order to regain currency and take people with me) cost me less than what you'd expect to pay for a single landing at Shoreham Hypergalatic airport......
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Having not bothered to do the night qualification for 15 years post PPL I was obliged to do it prior to training for the IR.
It was a bit of a nightmare finding a suitable airfield but managed it just before the clocks went forward at a place that closed at 8pm.
Not used it since....
It was a bit of a nightmare finding a suitable airfield but managed it just before the clocks went forward at a place that closed at 8pm.
Not used it since....
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It's a shame really that the UK is so screwed when it comes to Aviation, so many schools and flying clubs are well behind the times.
I want to use my Night Qualification and would love to fly a fair bit a night.
However it seems airports / airfields just don't want us flying.
Southend is a good example.
The Airport is H24, the tower is manned and anything under 2.5 tonne is self handle. now because the airport i H24 there must be fire services on site.
So why charge a Night Surcharge of £200+VAT for operating between 2300L - 0600L?
It just seems we are going backwards in time not forward.
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I want to use my Night Qualification and would love to fly a fair bit a night.
However it seems airports / airfields just don't want us flying.
Southend is a good example.
The Airport is H24, the tower is manned and anything under 2.5 tonne is self handle. now because the airport i H24 there must be fire services on site.
So why charge a Night Surcharge of £200+VAT for operating between 2300L - 0600L?
It just seems we are going backwards in time not forward.
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Wait a minute, don't mix night flying with midnight flying.... maybe the extra penalty charge has to do with noise abatement.
You can do a lot of fantastic flights in the dark before 11 PM, I wish we had such airfield. But our airfielsd strictly align their closing times to sunset, and charge extra for keeping open beyond that, and even separately surcharge for switching on the lights for you....
Anyway, night flying in a single engine plane is about 2.5 times more dangerous than day flying, mostly because of the inability to make emergency landings in the dark, and the higher risk of spatial disorientation. So don't get too fond of it. I love it - but at the same time, I rather fly within sunset + 1 hour, not later.
You can do a lot of fantastic flights in the dark before 11 PM, I wish we had such airfield. But our airfielsd strictly align their closing times to sunset, and charge extra for keeping open beyond that, and even separately surcharge for switching on the lights for you....
Anyway, night flying in a single engine plane is about 2.5 times more dangerous than day flying, mostly because of the inability to make emergency landings in the dark, and the higher risk of spatial disorientation. So don't get too fond of it. I love it - but at the same time, I rather fly within sunset + 1 hour, not later.
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night flying in a single engine plane is about 2.5 times more dangerous than day flying,
We're lucky to have an aerodrome with lighting 10NM away, but they do close at 2130 local, plus we have to night-stop there as we have no lights of our own.
Buying and maintaining even the simplest set of lights, then recovering the costs through a per use fee would be prohibitive for us. I think our jaundiced attitude to airfield fees has been affected by the apparent cheapness of these things in the US. There, the taxpayer pays instead of the user, many would say this is unfair. Personally I'd be outraged if I found out that all horse stables and livery was paid for out of my taxes and horse riders got it for free.
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Given how very difficult it is to do any significant amount of night flying in the UK, it is hardly surprising that night SEP flying features so little in AAIB reports. I don't think that this is anything at-all to do with whether it's inherently safe or dangerous and more to do with the incredibly low number of night hours anybody manages to fly.
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Originally Posted by TheOddOne
Really? I'd like to see the reference for that information.
The source is the Civil Aviation Safety Authority of the Australian Government, more precisely CAAP 5.13-2(0): NVFR Rating, page 7, section 3.1.1.
3.1.1 Night flying accidents are not as frequent as daytime accidents because less flying is done at night. However, statistics indicate that an accident at night is about two and a half times more likely to be fatal than an accident during the day.
Link: https://www.casa.gov.au/file/104916/...token=IuVTNa9C
I read this thoroughly, before I went to my night training. I am still in love with night flying, but the dangers are not to be underestimated. I prepare to die before every flight
