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Old 19th May 2016, 22:10
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Your statement below is not strictly correct.


"So far as I recall, the only issue over there was one or two obsessive individuals who just peed everybody off by going on about the woman incessantly when there was already a broad consensus of opinion."


I imagine that members of aviation internet forums represent less than 5% of the subscribers of the Flyer magazine. Whilst we [on here and there] clearly know the truth, it is also true to say that probably 95% of the magazine community will be intentionally mislead on how that top 10 was concluded.

It was convenient [for me] that the publisher of Flyer was to hand when I presented this very question of deceit, and how the story would be portrayed to readers.

Here is what was said .....




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Jetblu wrote:
Deceit is deceit, which ever way you want to spell it. Whilst it has been made quite clear that Flyer have no great interest in covering the factual, and very important matter, it will be interesting to see how it is reported in the Pilot Magazine.

G-BLEW wrote Mon May 09, 2016 5:02 pm
Well, she's made it into their list of '10 outstanding women from aviation history' so I guess that's how they've chosen to cover it.

Ian
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Old 20th May 2016, 03:28
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The National Post is a relatively small circulation Canadian publication.
And, we're proud of it - for its thorough research, and detailed reporting. The National Post has again, presented an interesting story.
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I really don't care if the bird was solo or not, nor how many gongs she did or didn't receive, it's one helluva flight all the same. What I can't understand is Sam who's company was hired to provide support services for one of her flights, appears to now be pissing in his customers well. That kind of thing has got to be a show stopper for future clients looking to contract for similar services.

I'm surprised, as what little I know about his business from reading his service offerings and customer trip reports online they seemed to be a pretty professional outfit.
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Old 20th May 2016, 06:20
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Interesting article. Whilst I have no major interest in TCT or her round the world (solo or otherwise) personal adventure, has anybody considered that the Boeing link may not be down to one of her elevated connections? Rather that Boeing may have an interest and be perfectly entitled to a mention on the side of the aircraft because erm......... it's a Boeing and was built way back in one of their factories?
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Originally Posted by Small Rodent Driver View Post
Interesting article. Whilst I have no major interest in TCT or her round the world (solo or otherwise) personal adventure, has anybody considered that the Boeing link may not be down to one of her elevated connections? Rather that Boeing may have an interest and be perfectly entitled to a mention on the side of the aircraft because erm......... it's a Boeing and was built way back in one of their factories?
SRD: Do you mean like how my old tractor has "F O R D" in large letters across the bonnet ?
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Old 20th May 2016, 11:19
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I guess the statement "alone in an open cock-pit(sic)" is true.


She was alone in hers.


He was alone in his.
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Exactly!
Some clever word-smithing has been used (and refined) throughout these well orchestrated deceptions.
The whole fraud has been perpetrated so well that, aside from the tabloid-reading gullibles and couch-potatoes, even the 'Honourable Company'
has been sucked in to lending this rort undue credibility.
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What baffles me is that as a CPL and flying instructor with an interest in aerobatics and classic aircraft (or so her CV says), something would have to be seriously wrong for her not to be able to fly a training aircraft around solo. So why risk the inevitable.
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Old 20th May 2016, 15:18
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Originally Posted by piperboy84 View Post
I really don't care if the bird was solo or not, nor how many gongs she did or didn't receive, it's one helluva flight all the same. What I can't understand is Sam who's company was hired to provide support services for one of her flights, appears to now be pissing in his customers well. That kind of thing has got to be a show stopper for future clients looking to contract for similar services.

I'm surprised, as what little I know about his business from reading his service offerings and customer trip reports online they seemed to be a pretty professional outfit.

Reponse from Sam by email:


This is the message:

Hi,

I maintained my professional silence about the 'solo' bit for months - but then she started winning awards (presumably at the expense of the runner-up).

She has also been badmouthing me to all and sundry for years since the CT-Goodwood job. Despite it being done correctly and successfully.

I sent her an email asking her to politely decline future awards and tone down the 'solo' angle. Both requests were ignored and so I've had enough.

I can send you a copy (no redaction!) of my two emails to her if you would like - makes my position extremely clear and, I hope, understandable.

Safe flights, Sam.
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it's one helluva flight all the same
This is the thing; no, it isn't. It's trivial, given the money and support team.
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Old 20th May 2016, 15:56
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This is the thing; no, it isn't. It's trivial, given the money and support team.
Don't know Kat, I've sat in the Maule which I imagine has similar speeds to the Stearman for multi day, 500 mile legs with both pilots and non pilots in the right seat and regardless you're mentally and physically knackered by the end of the day.
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In fact, it is a most serious matter, much beyond the deceit of the solo/alone flight itself.

Artemis are allegedly a multi billion dollar investment firm, allegedly, riding on the thermals of deceit. That has far more serious ramifications I would have thought.

Generally, bona fide sponsors, run shy from this type of behaviour, as seen in recent months/years by dope users.


EDIT* I am unsurprised by Sam's stance on this. They have their own integrity in the wider picture to preserve without being accused of being a conspirator to the deceit. Who could genuinely blame them.

I also notice how the BWPA are remaining tight-lipped on this at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Jetblu View Post
In fact, it is a most serious matter, much beyond the deceit of the solo/alone flight itself.

Artemis are allegedly a multi billion dollar investment firm, allegedly, riding on the thermals of deceit. That has far more serious ramifications I would have thought.

Generally, bona fide sponsors, run shy from this type of behaviour, as seen in recent months/years by dope users.


EDIT* I am unsurprised by Sam's stance on this. They have their own integrity in the wider picture to preserve without being accused of being a conspirator to the deceit. Who could genuinely blame them.

I also notice how the BWPA are remaining tight-lipped on this at the moment.
There is also the issue of where this leaves the Royal Navy and Royal Marines Charity. They have promoted her on their website under the assumption it was a solo voyage. https://www.rnrmc.org.uk/news/09-01-...-curtis-taylor

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Old 20th May 2016, 21:44
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You keep pointing out in various threads that Tracy Curtis-Taylor's flights were not solo and that her claims are very misleading.
No-one has disagreed with you.

Instead of continuing to preach to the converted, why don't you and/or Sam Rutherford try to get newspapers interested?
Every British newspaper has a website with contact details for sending stories/news items. I assume newspapers around the world have the same facility.

You could include a link to the National Post item.
Canadians may, as Pilot DAR says, be proud of the National Post but it has a small circulation. If bigger news organisations run the story it will reach many more readers.
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Could someone point me at a web site claiming that she was solo?

Apart of course from people on PPRuNe claiming that she claimed it etc.
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"another historic and treacherous solo flight from the UK to Sydney, Australia"




"alone in an open cock-pit plane"
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Old 20th May 2016, 22:48
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Tracey Curtis-Taylor to recreate Amy Johnson's flight from Britain to Australia | UK news | The Guardian

The British aviator is embarking on a 13,000-mile solo flight in a vintage open cockpit biplane following in the slipstream of pioneer Amy Johnson
https://www.silverkris.com/stories/b...t-uk-australia
#‎British‬ aviatrix Tracey Curtis-Taylor of @biplane interacting with students of Sadhu Vaswani International School for Girls, ‪#‎Delhi‬. She is travelling solo from the UK to Australia, through 23 countries, covering 13K miles.
Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor's England-to-Australia solo flight a homage to aviation pioneer Amy Johnson - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Adventurer Tracey Curtis-Taylor's England-to-Australia solo flight a homage to aviation pioneer Amy Johnson
Aviatrix Tracey Curtis-Taylor to maintain plan for a solo flight to Australia | Daily Mail Online
Daring aviatrix to maintain her plan for a solo flight to Australia
Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson - Telegraph
Female pilot starts epic solo flight to copy Amy Johnson
Tracey Curtis-Taylor says she has sacrificed a normal family life to fulfil her dream of following aviation pioneer Amy Johnson's 13,000 mile solo flight
Round-the-world female aviator stops off for Dubai Airshow | The National
The British aviator, 53, is part way through a 21,000 kilometre solo flight from the UK to Australia in a 1942 Boeing Stearman Spirit of Artemis aircraft.
Tracey Curtis-Taylor arrives in Sydney after epic solo flight from the UK | Australian Aviation
Tracey Curtis-Taylor arrives in Sydney after epic solo flight from the UK



Also, if you read any interviews with TCT - she invariably refers to "I", never that I have seen to "We".


Whilst Jay Sata is becoming a bit tedious in his repetitions, he's not actually wrong.

(Edited to say that Heliport's photograph trumps my news articles - but the overall picture is certainly consistent.)

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So it boils down to SOLO or ALONE. Alright it's pretty obvious she wasn't solo but was she alone? The guys name sounds a bit Tuetonic, he could have been a right anti social, humorless dullard devoid of any personality.
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Yeah, but that's a load of news outlets getting it wrong.
All of them?
She has a very professional PR team.


In order to complain that TCT is misleading people we need a staement from her saying it is is a solo gig
Did you not see the second photograph I posted?

That is TCT speaking. Look at the backdrop.
"alone in an open cock-pit plane"

Q & A with Tracey Curtis Taylor - Features - Pilot
If you hadn’t been flying solo, who would have been your ideal co-pilot?

Although this was primarily a solo flight, certainly at the outset, I often took members of the crew and sponsors with me in the Stearman for reasons of expediency or indeed just so that they could share the experience. I did one flight with Bill Sykes, a retired air force pilot and local historian, who was based in Bulawayo and we tried to find the site where Lady Heath crash landed in 1928.
I also did two wonderful flights with Ian Craig over the Lewa Conservancy where we flew just above tree level, skimming along rivers and through low lying valleys spotting rhino and elephant and the skeletal remains of murdered animals. This is one of the most beautiful parts of Africa, yet it is also a harrowing killing field where a huge 24hr a day conservation effort is being made to try and protect the wildlife from poachers. It was a real eye-opener to see this first hand and to see the fantastic work that the Tusk Trust is doing in these communities.
If I had to choose a co-pilot for my next flight, I think it would be huge fun to take Prince Harry but that might present a few security issues. I have a great friend at Boeing, Rick McCrary, who is a retired SR-71 Blackbird pilot, so a bit of a hero to me. He appreciates how special the Stearman is, so I think he would be top of my list for people to take.
Members of the crew?

No mention of the 20K hours Austrian pilot (who built the Stearman) who flew with her except when a few others had jollies.
He's in the first photograph.
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In order to complain that TCT is misleading people we need a staement from her saying it is is a solo gig
Did you not see the second photograph I posted?

That is TCT speaking. Look at the backdrop.
"alone in an open cock-pit plane"
'Seems convincing to me! Heliport's and GtE's posts sum it up nicely. Now, if she'd said she was alone in the cockpit, maybe things would be a bit different . Or, perhaps there were no flying controls in the other cockpit....

It would be nice to think that our peers, particularly those who know they are in the public eye, are active in their efforts to prevent misunderstanding.
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