Ullswater Lake Maule pilot not guilty
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Wasn't there a thread on a Robin that ended up on a riverbed doing this, the pilot ended up dead on a mountainside in a separate incident.
The guy ( it will be a guy) is a certifiable moron. Hope the CAA throw the book at him.
I don't much care what the RAF do, they are seasoned pros who need extreme flying skills. This chap obviously has no respect for his family or anyone to care about him, no respect for the aircraft, no respect for the environment and no respect for the taxpayer who bears the SAR costs.
The guy ( it will be a guy) is a certifiable moron. Hope the CAA throw the book at him.
I don't much care what the RAF do, they are seasoned pros who need extreme flying skills. This chap obviously has no respect for his family or anyone to care about him, no respect for the aircraft, no respect for the environment and no respect for the taxpayer who bears the SAR costs.
That kind of flying has nothing to to with the "look at me I am such a SKYGOD" showboating in the middle of the lake, for no operational reason, that this thread is referring to.
I'd be interested to read the official report on the accident to which you refer.
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but it's a very safe, stable and essential part of a bushplane's flight envelope on the basis of mine.
Serious, responsible bush pilots avoid factors and operations which have risk with no benefit. Bush pilots typically operate in the middle of nowhere, so any small risk becomes big, just because no help is close by. Running lakes on wheels is a stunt, not bushflying.
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As for Ullswater's speed limit, it has been specifically framed so as not to apply to land- and ski-planes.
As for Ullswater's speed limit, it has been specifically framed so as not to apply to land- and ski-planes.
Leaving aside any thoughts as to whether this is really stupid or incredibly cool, there seems to be an assumption by posters that this pilot is inexperienced at this sort of flying. How do we know this? Is it not possible that this is a very experienced Bush pilot visiting UK and that he is well used to doing this sort of thing?
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I again don't see why people are getting worked up over this. It's a tailwheel aircraft with big tyres designed for off airport work. It happens frequently in the us.
I don't get how being a deep cold lake makes any difference to practice. I'd imagine if things went wrong you could do as much damage in a few feet of water.
Flying comes down to risk assesment and personal acceptance. People fly in clouds, do aerobatics, fly vintage aircraft, do stalls, all of which adds a level of risk to flying slap bang in the centre of the envelope.
In the event of a need for a forced landing I'd much rather be in with someone with lots of experience off airfield than a person who has lever left tarmac.
I don't get how being a deep cold lake makes any difference to practice. I'd imagine if things went wrong you could do as much damage in a few feet of water.
Flying comes down to risk assesment and personal acceptance. People fly in clouds, do aerobatics, fly vintage aircraft, do stalls, all of which adds a level of risk to flying slap bang in the centre of the envelope.
In the event of a need for a forced landing I'd much rather be in with someone with lots of experience off airfield than a person who has lever left tarmac.
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That Husky is a Maule.
I again don't see why people are getting worked up over this.
Emergency services, including police, Whitehaven Coastguard, Cumbria Fire and Rescue Service, ambulance service, mountain rescue teams, RAF and an air ambulance were called to the scene
The CAA imposed a no fly zone
I don't get how being a deep cold lake makes any difference to practice.
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I don't want to sound like a killjoy but if things had gone badly wrong I wonder if the pilot would have expected his insurance policy to cover the claim?
There is a general insurance principle that an insured person should act at all times in the same way as if they were not insured. This is reflected in aircraft policies in a 'General Condition' which effectively says you should do all you can reasonably do to protect the insured item from loss. I'm not saying that a claim arising from this type of flying would definitely be refused but it does potentially raise a doubt!
Given what he was up to, the pilot would also do well to look at another condition which states the policy "shall not be construed as a policy of marine insurance."
There is a general insurance principle that an insured person should act at all times in the same way as if they were not insured. This is reflected in aircraft policies in a 'General Condition' which effectively says you should do all you can reasonably do to protect the insured item from loss. I'm not saying that a claim arising from this type of flying would definitely be refused but it does potentially raise a doubt!
Given what he was up to, the pilot would also do well to look at another condition which states the policy "shall not be construed as a policy of marine insurance."
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On a slow news day all sorts of stuff appears.
It would seem the emergency services suffer from the same syndrome, even though the aircraft is shown flying away they 'swing in action'.
Perish the thought that any intelligence is ever needed from them.
As to the pilot, well ok he did it, but he did it in a pretty dumb place, where it was almost certain to cause some upset, even presuming he knew what he was doing.
Scores on the doors? emergency services 2/10, pilot 1/10.
It would seem the emergency services suffer from the same syndrome, even though the aircraft is shown flying away they 'swing in action'.
Perish the thought that any intelligence is ever needed from them.
As to the pilot, well ok he did it, but he did it in a pretty dumb place, where it was almost certain to cause some upset, even presuming he knew what he was doing.
Scores on the doors? emergency services 2/10, pilot 1/10.
I'm not saying that a claim arising from this type of flying would definitely be refused but it does potentially raise a doubt!
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How do feel about aerobatics?
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Any idea how much all that will have cost? Committing all those teams, especially the Air Ambulance, which could have been saving lives elsewhere is criminal.
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Yes you do.
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How do feel about aerobatics?
the important interaction here is on the surface and boundary layer of the water. Whether the depth is a couple of feet or miles makes no difference at all to the flight characteristics
Was the pilot wearing personal floatation suitable for the body of water? I'm thinking it was pretty cold there - immersion suit? - I fly with one at times.
Had the pilot received competent training in underwater egress?
Aviation Egress Training Systems
I, and another dissenting poster here, have taken this course. It's a wake up call for being in these situations at all - let alone putting yourself there for little benefit!
Someone mentions flying across the channel on here, where there is a statistically small risk that you'll have to do a planned ditching into unwelcoming water, and posters will discuss lifejackets, immersion suits, and rafts. Yet someone deliberately flirts with sudden ditching, and posters defend it, without ever asking if the pilot was prepared.
And, it's just a bad example and public display - it temps others into the foolish behaviour:
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ing-strip.html
Or lure them into wanting to try it,
Any chance of a spare seat?
I knew the pilot who put the Robin into the Derwent. He was a pleasant guy but sadly his demise didn't come as a big surprise to many of us.
To tar the Maule pilot with the same brush is a huge leap of assumption.
To tar the Maule pilot with the same brush is a huge leap of assumption.
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leap of assumption
I've known some pretty skilled pilots who were "bit" by something that their judgement did not anticipate nor prepare for....
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Someone mentions flying across the channel on here, where there is a statistically small risk that you'll have to do a planned ditching into unwelcoming water, and posters will discuss lifejackets, immersion suits, and rafts. Yet someone deliberately flirts with sudden ditching, and posters defend it, without ever asking if the pilot was prepared.