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Old 27th Feb 2016, 19:51
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What I would be really interested to see is a simulated scenario with a basic PPL where the autopilot was failed at FL380 and that PPL not prompted or assisted in anyway by the sim instructor / operator but left to it completely?
He could get assistance and instruction only through the radio as in real life
In your sim session were you instructed as would be the case from someone miles away in a control room or someone looking over your shoulder at your every action and rectify visually your moves ?
If you controlled the thrust speed glide slope drag application yourself without visual prompting rather than blind prompting you did amazingly well )))

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Old 1st Mar 2016, 20:11
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Pace, and Pulse 1 with his question how does a bog standard PPL tell the difference between the PTT and disconnect button on the yoke?

With only 30 hours on my personal PPL book (plus some gliding) a friend of mine arranged for me to "fly" a BA 111 at Cranebank. The real thing that the real pilots did their check rides and training on. My hour and a half was after midnight...

So the scenario I asked for was the one in the storybooks; "Can anybody fly the plane? (aircrew struck down by ptomaine poisoned fish and chips, whatever). So I stepped into the cockpit, strapped into the LH seat.

And pressed the wrong button, right off the bat. Intending to radio for assistance, of course.

Not until I noticed the altimeter unwinding steadily did I get really concerned, increased the power, etc etc. But alas, the ground approached all too soon, and they opened the door in the rear of the sim and said "guess what, you're dead!" Unlike real life, of course, I got another chance, and this time pressed the correct button. Got someone on the "radio" who talked me through a safe landing at LHR. Did that 3 times, what a lark!

But my general rule is in flying, if you think you have a problem, but you are still right side up, do nothing. Think first, ask for assistance if you have radio. Doing nothing is still a very good plan. Once towing a glider back abeam Upper Heyford, we were distracted by a couple of US fighter jets performing maneuvers nearby, and the glider got way out of position, alongside instead of behind me. I couldn't think what to do, so I did nothing, and the glider sorted itself out.
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Old 1st Mar 2016, 21:39
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300-500 feet.
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Old 2nd Mar 2016, 01:17
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Pace, and Pulse 1 with his question how does a bog standard PPL tell the difference between the PTT and disconnect button on the yoke?

With only 30 hours on my personal PPL book (plus some gliding) a friend of mine arranged for me to "fly" a BA 111 at Cranebank. The real thing that the real pilots did their check rides and training on. My hour and a half was after midnight...

So the scenario I asked for was the one in the storybooks; "Can anybody fly the plane? (aircrew struck down by ptomaine poisoned fish and chips, whatever). So I stepped into the cockpit, strapped into the LH seat.

And pressed the wrong button, right off the bat. Intending to radio for assistance, of course.

Not until I noticed the altimeter unwinding steadily did I get really concerned, increased the power, etc etc. But alas, the ground approached all too soon, and they opened the door in the rear of the sim and said "guess what, you're dead!" Unlike real life, of course, I got another chance, and this time pressed the correct button. Got someone on the "radio" who talked me through a safe landing at LHR. Did that 3 times, what a lark!

But my general rule is in flying, if you think you have a problem, but you are still right side up, do nothing. Think first, ask for assistance if you have radio. Doing nothing is still a very good plan. Once towing a glider back abeam Upper Heyford, we were distracted by a couple of US fighter jets performing maneuvers nearby, and the glider got way out of position, alongside instead of behind me. I couldn't think what to do, so I did nothing, and the glider sorted itself out.
How much was your experience on the sim?
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Old 2nd Mar 2016, 07:12
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I did land a B777 sim successfully by hand the first time (well, survivably) BUT I had a 777 first officer (a friend who had arranged the sim slot, similarly in the small hours) in the right hand seat. Without him the systems would have overwhelmed me, and I'd probably have lost control chasing them. As it was I was able to concentrate solely on the hand flying. He also gave me speeds &c.

I wish I'd tried it with him only on the intercom to simulate ATC trying to talk me down. I don't think I'd have made it.

Best part was flying the 777 under the Verrazano Narrows bridge...
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Old 2nd Mar 2016, 14:07
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Returning to topic 'how high do you fly'

Private flying generally between 500'-1000'
Day job up to 51000'
Highest, greater than 51000'
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 09:42
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Interesting comment about flying professional sim aircraft under bridges.
I Have been fortunate enough to have a go in two military sims. On both occassions, despite the sim instructor knowing that I was a reasonably experienced PPL, they seemed to think that flying under bridges at very low level was the main thing that a person like me would want to do!
I managed to persuade them that I wanted to try to fly the thing for real without silly tricks. Proud to say that I made a decent job of it!
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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 10:28
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I think and stand to be corrected but someone flew an aircraft for real under all the London Bridges
Try that today and you would be locked up

On the PPL landing a heavy jet from 38000 feet with no assistance other than distant assistance from an ATC unit I would still be amazed if that was possible
i can only go from real world experience even with CPL IR pilots
It is very different with someone sitting alongside or behind you telling you to reduce the decent rate or bring back the thrust to XYZ or telling you to look at the speed which is rocketing or to hold the heading or to touch that lever and bring the flaps to XYZ or set up the ILS and displays or when to put the gear down etc etc etc
You are an autopilot for someone behind you! and remember in this situation there is NO autopilot no flight director

Cold ??? Now heres a challenge for PPRuNe lets set up a sim session with a basic PPL at 38000 feet and only distant ATC assistance and see if its possible ?
any TAKERS

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Old 3rd Mar 2016, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
I think and stand to be corrected but someone flew an aircraft for real under all the London Bridges
Alan Pollock flew a Hunter under the top span of Tower Bridge on 5th April 1968. IIRC he was retired on medical grounds to avoid embarrassment to the authorities.

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Cold ??? Now heres a challenge for PPRuNe lets set up a sim session with a basic PPL at 38000 feet and only distant ATC assistance and see if its possible ?
any TAKERS
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I'd have a go, though without any great hope of a successful outcome. I've never flown a jet (and I've never flown under a bridge, either ).

I'd say the greatest chance of losing it would be during either the first few minutes, or the last few.

A good ending would be largely down to the skill of the folks on the ground.

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