Plane Advert - response

[Maoraigh1]

I got the following responses when I responded to an ad on AFORS. It's back. (Different name). It's still on FAA register. I tried to register on AFORS, as I've forgotten user name, password, and email address I used years ago, but didn't succeed/
Hello,
My name is Robert Duvall and i am the owner of the 2011 Cessna 162 Skycatcher on which you've recently shown interest.
It is my personal airplane and we used it rarely.If you're interested in making this purchase the airplane can be yours for 10.000GBP.
The airplane is registered in UK.Serviced on time, never involved in any kind of accidents.
It comes with full service history.I would like this sale to be accomplished quickly and safe for us.

Hello,
The full price with all the shipping taxes included is: 10,000 GBP.
I want to tell you that I'm not in UK and i moved to Denmark,I have the airplane here with me but the airplane was bought from UK.
I had to move because my contract in UK finished.I am a petroleum engineer and my next job is here in Denmark.
The airplane is at the shipping company (PAGE Shipping) in Denmark and i want to sell it back to UK because the price for registration here is huge.
Here they have a different payment plan for the airplane that are from import and the costs are very big.
This is why i renounced to the idea of selling my airplane here.
Like i told you the airplane is at the shipping company along with all the papers,i had them sealed ,and if you like to buy i will like to let them take care of the payment and shipping because i am very busy with my work.
If you have any questions about the airplane let me know.

[smarthawke]

That'll be one very special 162 - neat trick getting an American FAA/ASTM LSA registered in the UK.

Nice scam, makes a change from the normal 182s that appear at well below market value....

[flybymike]

It's a bargain Maoraigh, what are you waiting for? Get in there!

[piperboy84]

Probably a Nigerian 419 and not a US 162

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scams

[Afors]

Hi,

Alex here from afors,

I have taken down the offending skycatcher posting, please accept my apologies, I missed this one.

Thanks for highlighting it.

I will be grateful, to receive any suggestions, as to how to eliminate Scam adverts.

Thanks

Alex

[Maoraigh1]

I phoned Police Scotland, but they don't look at internet fraud schemes. If the aircraft was in the UK, I'd look at it. My initial question was re permit type, then where was it. GINFO just gave "insufficient information" when type with **** was entered, +/- owner.

[ChickenHouse]

Classical scam as it pops up quite often now. Do us all a favor and contact Interpol to arrange for a trap and get rid of that guy.

[md 600 driver]

Alex

There maybe another one here ?
Low hours 2007 r44 ?11800

[Afors]

I have made at least 6 reports to action fraud this year, and personally spoken to them twice.

They will not even follow up unless money has changed hands, and even then only if they think they have a chance of catching someone.

Alex

[Afors]

I have marked that one as a scam, although its not that easy to tell. I have marked a few ads as scams in the past, only to be berated by the posters later.

[smarthawke]

I have a hunch that there may be something fishy about this C182T:

Light Aircraft, 2005 Cessna 182t Skylane Single Engine Prop, For Sale, advert ID=34623

Perhaps it's the €9000 asking price or the 'diplomatpoliticalembassy@....' email address.....


Edit - or a bargain SR22 at £27k. Difficult choice then - £26k for an FRA150L or £27k for an SR22....

http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=...d=34722&imid=0

I have no idea how to stop the scammers. Fortunately, most seem far too ridiculous for anyone to fall for them. The dangerous ones are when the price is realistic and the 'seller' can provide pictures of some docs. Certificate of Registration, an email address in the owner's name (again not difficult to set up a spoof one) etc. Google often gives huge amounts of detail about an aircraft and even the owner.

A customer of ours was suspicious about a C182T that was supposedly for sale (I think it was on AFORS) a few months back. By checking the registration info through G-INFO, it was easy to find the organisation that issued the ARC (ARC reference number and CAA's list of Subpart G (I) companies). A quick call to them and no it wasn't for sale. This was a quicker way to contact the rightful owner that writing through the G-INFO postal address.

[Gertrude the Wombat]

I have no idea how to stop the scammers. Fortunately, most seem far too ridiculous for anyone to fall for them.

I run a web site with advertisements for rented accommodation. I list some of the commons scams in a warning on the site, but the scammers seem to be endemic and reporting them to the police doesn't seem to stop them.

[Genghis the Engineer]

I read an article somewhere suggesting that the poor grammar and clumsy approach on the part of scammers is deliberate - it weeds out quickly and painlessly anybody likely to give the scammers real trouble.

G

[fcornell]

Having worked in Lagos--I would say almost certainly from Nigeria.

[Maoraigh1]

Payment in one almost-successful scam was to be to an account in a major UK bank. While the fraudsters are out of police jurisdiction, the banks which they use are not. With very little effort, police could ascertain the account to be used for the payment. Bank accounts are hard enough for law-abiding UK citizens to open.
Forcing fraudsters to use non-EU banks would be a disincentive to their victims to pay.

[chevvron]

A common ploy by the 'vendor' is to claim they work on an oil rig and can only communicate when they're back on the mainland.
I got this when I went into an advert for a Chevvron microlight at a knockdown price (well I would wouldn't I), low hours, low annual useage, low price. It was advertised on UKGA too and they told me it was a scam and removed it, telling me the scammers usually ask for a deposit which you send then never hear anything more.