45 hours military light a/c flying -> PPL
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45 hours military light a/c flying -> PPL
Hello all, hope this is the correct area to post rather than the professional training forum!
I've recently come out of the RAF with 45 instructional hours and an additional 12 hours solo under my belt on the Grob Tutor, a single-engine prop aircraft which is a joy to fly (I think, not flown anything else).
The 45 hours include general handling, PFLs, both medium-level and low-level navigation, IF, aeros and formation flying. I'm interested in gaining a PPL and am wondering how these hours can be used to contribute to PPL hours. Word on the street is they can be used but I'd like to hear from someone involved in civilian instruction.
I've found these requirements online:
I realise I can just pop into a local flying school and query this, but I wouldn't mind having an idea first.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can impart, chaps.
I've recently come out of the RAF with 45 instructional hours and an additional 12 hours solo under my belt on the Grob Tutor, a single-engine prop aircraft which is a joy to fly (I think, not flown anything else).
The 45 hours include general handling, PFLs, both medium-level and low-level navigation, IF, aeros and formation flying. I'm interested in gaining a PPL and am wondering how these hours can be used to contribute to PPL hours. Word on the street is they can be used but I'd like to hear from someone involved in civilian instruction.
I've found these requirements online:
- 45 hours total flying time*
- 25 hours dual instruction*
- 10 hours of solo flight*
- 5 hours solo cross country
- 1 cross country trip at least 150nm, landing at 2 other aerodromes
- 1 hour instrument appreciation*
- Class 2 Aviation Medical (completed before flying solo)
- 9 Multiple Choice Ground Exams
- Radio Telephany Practical Exam
- General Handling Skills Test
I realise I can just pop into a local flying school and query this, but I wouldn't mind having an idea first.
Thanks in advance for any advice you can impart, chaps.
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Elementary, I know, but for goodness sake copy/scan everything
NEVER EVER trust any jobsworth officialdom.
When they foul-up, it's very easy to "lose" your paperwork or totally deny ever having had it in the first place.
Of course, they're all scrupulously honest,diligent and supremely competent and never ever make mistakes....the previous paragraph is all a figment of my over-active imagination.
NEVER EVER trust any jobsworth officialdom.
When they foul-up, it's very easy to "lose" your paperwork or totally deny ever having had it in the first place.
Of course, they're all scrupulously honest,diligent and supremely competent and never ever make mistakes....the previous paragraph is all a figment of my over-active imagination.
SPQR92
Go to the CAA website, download CAP804, look at Part O - that gives details on the Military Accreditation Scheme (MAS).
Hope that's of some use to you; even if all of your experience doesn't count in an administrative sense, it will all count in the air.
Go to the CAA website, download CAP804, look at Part O - that gives details on the Military Accreditation Scheme (MAS).
Hope that's of some use to you; even if all of your experience doesn't count in an administrative sense, it will all count in the air.
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Out of interest, what type are you planning on completing your PPL training in?
That might make for an interesting discussion in itself.
That might make for an interesting discussion in itself.
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Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated.
I'll be in NW England for a few months and it's in that time period I'll be hoping to get the PPL. Unfortunately I won't be near any RAF flying clubs as advertised on their website, although the MAS information is very useful so thanks for that.
Sillert, interesting question, I don't really know! Having a quick scan of a few local clubs suggests most start training on Cessna 152s and then once qual'd can make use of PA28s etc. A few have Slingsby Fireflys which I know are very similar to Grob Tutors, but I'm unsure whether schools are willing to conduct PPL training in them. Basically, I don't really care; whatever the flying instructors seem to think is best!
I'll be in NW England for a few months and it's in that time period I'll be hoping to get the PPL. Unfortunately I won't be near any RAF flying clubs as advertised on their website, although the MAS information is very useful so thanks for that.
Sillert, interesting question, I don't really know! Having a quick scan of a few local clubs suggests most start training on Cessna 152s and then once qual'd can make use of PA28s etc. A few have Slingsby Fireflys which I know are very similar to Grob Tutors, but I'm unsure whether schools are willing to conduct PPL training in them. Basically, I don't really care; whatever the flying instructors seem to think is best!
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Backup logbook
Have smartphone ? Suggest photo every page of logbook(s) as a backup.
I was in similar situation... After some Flying Scholarship & JP hours both civilian & Service flying logbooks despatched from Biggin Hill mailroom to FTS for JP hours/exercises to be validated by Chief Instructor in civvy logbook.
That was early 1987. Both logbooks lost until dropped onto my doormat in late 1999 more than 12 years later & 6 years since I'd left the RAF !
What about NPPL ?
http://www.nationalprivatepilotslice...20REV%2009.pdf
I was in similar situation... After some Flying Scholarship & JP hours both civilian & Service flying logbooks despatched from Biggin Hill mailroom to FTS for JP hours/exercises to be validated by Chief Instructor in civvy logbook.
That was early 1987. Both logbooks lost until dropped onto my doormat in late 1999 more than 12 years later & 6 years since I'd left the RAF !
What about NPPL ?
http://www.nationalprivatepilotslice...20REV%2009.pdf
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Most will quote for the cheapest to keep the scary numbers down and that's probably a C152 or PA38, but they are happy to do training in a PA28 if you can pay for it.
There's a civilian variant of the Tutor, Grob G115, and at least Tayside at Dundee, and doubtless others, do train on it. Or the Firefly, as you say - with only a few AEF trips in the Tutor and 10hrs or so Firefly I'm not very qualified to compare but they are broadly similar (having been designed for the same mission of course!)
There's a civilian variant of the Tutor, Grob G115, and at least Tayside at Dundee, and doubtless others, do train on it. Or the Firefly, as you say - with only a few AEF trips in the Tutor and 10hrs or so Firefly I'm not very qualified to compare but they are broadly similar (having been designed for the same mission of course!)
SPQR92, unfortunately the idiots at 22Gp have destroyed military accreditation for people in your situation....
...except, that is, for the NPPL, which is a national licence and free from 22Gp interference.
Your route to a Part-FCL PPL(A) should therefore be as follows:
1. Use the accreditation available to you to obtain a NPPL (SSEA).
2. Convert the NPPL to a PPL via a 'virtual LAPL' route. This means meeting both the NPPL-to-LAPL and LAPL-to-PPL conversion criteria without any phyisical need to hold a LAPL.
RAFFCA should know this - I've told them countless times that the military accreditation criteria I originally secured for the NPPL remains in place. See CAP 804 Part II Section 5 Part A Appendix 1 Pages 5-6.
...except, that is, for the NPPL, which is a national licence and free from 22Gp interference.
Your route to a Part-FCL PPL(A) should therefore be as follows:
1. Use the accreditation available to you to obtain a NPPL (SSEA).
2. Convert the NPPL to a PPL via a 'virtual LAPL' route. This means meeting both the NPPL-to-LAPL and LAPL-to-PPL conversion criteria without any phyisical need to hold a LAPL.
RAFFCA should know this - I've told them countless times that the military accreditation criteria I originally secured for the NPPL remains in place. See CAP 804 Part II Section 5 Part A Appendix 1 Pages 5-6.
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Great advice gents (and ladies if applicable), thanks for taking the time to respond.
For those 'in the know', basically I'll be leaving my UAS at the end of the month and have a January IOT start date so looking to keep things ticking over until the helmet fires start once again on EFT and beyond! I've always thought a PPL would be good to have anyway, to appreciate the civilian side of flying and also so I can take mates up now and then.
You've given me some good starting points so thanks for that, and I'll go photocopy my logbook a few times first thing tomorrow!
For those 'in the know', basically I'll be leaving my UAS at the end of the month and have a January IOT start date so looking to keep things ticking over until the helmet fires start once again on EFT and beyond! I've always thought a PPL would be good to have anyway, to appreciate the civilian side of flying and also so I can take mates up now and then.
You've given me some good starting points so thanks for that, and I'll go photocopy my logbook a few times first thing tomorrow!
