No more AME exams... ?
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This is part of the CAA initiative to cut the excessive regulation of GA and move to evidence based regulation.
Experience with the reduced medical requirements for the NPPL has shown no evidence of increased accident rates.
Private pilots in general are safety concious people and are capable of deciding not to fly when unfit.
Many years of global evidence has demonstrated that medically related accidents are rare in aviation and usually the result of unpredictable sudden incapacitation. The word "unpredictable" here means that no regular medical examination could have predicted the outcome.
Experience with the reduced medical requirements for the NPPL has shown no evidence of increased accident rates.
Private pilots in general are safety concious people and are capable of deciding not to fly when unfit.
Many years of global evidence has demonstrated that medically related accidents are rare in aviation and usually the result of unpredictable sudden incapacitation. The word "unpredictable" here means that no regular medical examination could have predicted the outcome.
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You must be discounting MH370 and the 'Alps Incident', that maybe could have been prevented with an even more thorough examination.
Or perhaps 'background checks' may have been the way to go in those circumstances.
Or perhaps 'background checks' may have been the way to go in those circumstances.
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I would be all for it.
my last class 2 medical cost me £200 (no cardiogram either)
For about the same price I get an annual work medical that includes significant number of blood tests, finger up the bum, you name it, if you have something they'll find it.
my class 2, took about 20 mins, 10 of that was filling out forms. It was a case of read this, read that, your ears a fine, weight ok blood pressure ok
here's the bill
total and utter expensive joke. The class 2 medical effectively requires the honesty of the pilot so from that perspective it seems pointless to me to have one.
my last class 2 medical cost me £200 (no cardiogram either)
For about the same price I get an annual work medical that includes significant number of blood tests, finger up the bum, you name it, if you have something they'll find it.
my class 2, took about 20 mins, 10 of that was filling out forms. It was a case of read this, read that, your ears a fine, weight ok blood pressure ok
here's the bill
total and utter expensive joke. The class 2 medical effectively requires the honesty of the pilot so from that perspective it seems pointless to me to have one.
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a little piece of australian history for you.
after WW2 there was a meeting between the head of our Dept of Civil Aviation and probably the RAAF.
the RAAF was wiped out by the Japanese in the first two weeks of the war.
discussion was on the fact that australian civilian pilots had provided the backbone of the renewed RAAF. the risk of further hostilities meant that the pilots may well be needed in the future to again build up the numbers of the RAAF.
Donald Anderson,head of the DCA, decided that the process of inducting the civilian pilots into the RAAF would be speeded up if the pilots had already passed the RAAF medical. That is why civilian pilots are required to have a medical.
The medical actually has nothing at all to do with civilian flying requirements.
It has always been an air force prescreening medical in the thought that there may have been another war.
hence getting rid of it will have no effect on civilian flying at all.
after WW2 there was a meeting between the head of our Dept of Civil Aviation and probably the RAAF.
the RAAF was wiped out by the Japanese in the first two weeks of the war.
discussion was on the fact that australian civilian pilots had provided the backbone of the renewed RAAF. the risk of further hostilities meant that the pilots may well be needed in the future to again build up the numbers of the RAAF.
Donald Anderson,head of the DCA, decided that the process of inducting the civilian pilots into the RAAF would be speeded up if the pilots had already passed the RAAF medical. That is why civilian pilots are required to have a medical.
The medical actually has nothing at all to do with civilian flying requirements.
It has always been an air force prescreening medical in the thought that there may have been another war.
hence getting rid of it will have no effect on civilian flying at all.
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You must be discounting MH370 and the 'Alps Incident'
There is no evidence of medical issues in the MH370 mystery.
Class 1 medicals do not currently assess the possibility of future suicidal tendencies.
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From: S Warwickshire
AIUI, not having a standard medical would render the licence as sub-ICAO.
The CAA might authorise that for use within the UK, but you would need reciprocal authorisation to fly outside the UK without the medical.
The CAA might authorise that for use within the UK, but you would need reciprocal authorisation to fly outside the UK without the medical.
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That is quite clear. The consultation only applies to UK PPL and NPPL medical requirements.
The title of the thread is misleading, because the privileges of those licences can already be exercised without an AME examination.
The title of the thread is misleading, because the privileges of those licences can already be exercised without an AME examination.
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From: In the boot of my car!
You must be discounting MH370 and the 'Alps Incident', that maybe could have been prevented with an even more thorough examination.
Or perhaps 'background checks' may have been the way to go in those circumstances.
Or perhaps 'background checks' may have been the way to go in those circumstances.
7 out of 10 mass murders are by people with no serious mental history!
These type of people are very manipulative and good at covering up so my guess is extra screening will only highlight people who have no mal intentions to others only to themselves!
Also consider any medical is a snapshot in time.no one knows of a trigger event a month after the medical?
All that will be achieved is to drive pilots away from their AME and GP and into the hands of quango or alternative medicines ((
Pace
