First flight to Ireland
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First flight to Ireland
Dear Ppruners,
I am hoping to plan a flight across to Ireland in October. I am planning on flying from Shropshire across to Newcastle in Southern Ireland. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations about the trip? Has anyone been to Newcastle? I have looked on Newcastle's website, and they say that you have to have completed a General Aviation Report. I assume also that I will need to file a flight plan because of the distance over the sea? I've never submitted a flight plan before ... any advice?
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I am hoping to plan a flight across to Ireland in October. I am planning on flying from Shropshire across to Newcastle in Southern Ireland. Can anyone offer any advice or recommendations about the trip? Has anyone been to Newcastle? I have looked on Newcastle's website, and they say that you have to have completed a General Aviation Report. I assume also that I will need to file a flight plan because of the distance over the sea? I've never submitted a flight plan before ... any advice?
Thanks!
Any flight that crosses an international border MUST file a flightplan, so yes you'll need to do that. If you are really stuck then just ring up your local AIS, or the Irish one.
+353 61 703 750
That's the phone number for Shannon AIS
+353 61 703 750
That's the phone number for Shannon AIS
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Hi Kandi, yes you will require, PPR, ring them up prior to your flight, and let them know you are coming. A GAR, which can be filed online, www.onlinegar.com, and would suggest a flight plan.
Although, Newcastle is strictly VFR, have an alternate. Look at Weston.
If you have Sky Demon you can also file your flight plan through the web link.
Have a good flight. Plan the weather carefully.....
Although, Newcastle is strictly VFR, have an alternate. Look at Weston.
If you have Sky Demon you can also file your flight plan through the web link.
Have a good flight. Plan the weather carefully.....
Filing a flight plan may look daunting - as do so many things when done for the first time - but has always worked very easy, for me. I would recommend filing through one of the many websites available, then after 15 or 20 minutes call the appropriate service on the phone and ask them if it is all right. I have called some of these services at home and abroad and have only come upon persons that were friendly, able, correct, and very much willing to help.
Remember nothing keeps you from filing a flight plan even when it is not required! Next time you fly cross country, do file a flight plan before, and when contacting FIS add "on a VFR flight plan" to your usual message. Then ask them to activate it, and, above all, make sure it gets closed after you land. At controlled fields this is usually done tacitly but it never hurts to request confirmation. After landing at a non-controlled field, another phone call is the simplest way, and has always worked ok for me.
Remember nothing keeps you from filing a flight plan even when it is not required! Next time you fly cross country, do file a flight plan before, and when contacting FIS add "on a VFR flight plan" to your usual message. Then ask them to activate it, and, above all, make sure it gets closed after you land. At controlled fields this is usually done tacitly but it never hurts to request confirmation. After landing at a non-controlled field, another phone call is the simplest way, and has always worked ok for me.
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have a look at Weston aerodrome (EIWT) as it may suit you needs better.
More transport links at Weston to get around the country, decent cafe , fuel and people happy to assist.
EINC Newcastle is situated in a Beautiful part of the country so I can understand a flight there also.
Hope this helps, anything else just ask.
More transport links at Weston to get around the country, decent cafe , fuel and people happy to assist.
EINC Newcastle is situated in a Beautiful part of the country so I can understand a flight there also.
Hope this helps, anything else just ask.
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As mentioned you MUST file a flight plan. A GAR is not a substitute for a flight plan........however if flying to Northern Ireland, a flight plan is not required (you're not crossing an international boundry) but a GAR would be required.
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Una Due Tfc - thanks for your advice, I appreciate that, and thank you for Shannon AIS's number
Maxred - yes, it's good advice to have an alternative, especially after crossing all that water. I did originally think about going into Weston before, but I was a little apprehensive about heading to Dublin area, as there seems to be quite a few military/restricted areas around it (CASEMENT/Baldonnel, etc) which I am worried might be tricky to fly around. I would like something fairly straightforward, as I only have 140 hours Total Time, and although I am hoping to fly with someone more experienced, I still want to take responsiblity for the flight. Unfortunately I don't have Sky Demon, the aircraft that I hire has a GPS though. Thank you for your wishes, I hope to have a good flight, it's for a significant birthday, so I want to do something memorable!
Jan Olieslagers - thanks for your reply. I know that it sounds a bit silly, but yes, I am a bit apprehensive about filing a flight plan, as i've never done it before. I've only ever seen a flight plan whilst studying. I'm sure that it will be fine, and if there is any problem, they will ask for clarification. It's nice of you (having had the experience of having filed a flight plan) to offer me some advice. The advice about filing a practice is a great idea. Thank you
Fionn101 - A while ago did originally think about going into Weston, but as I mentioned in my comment to Maxred, I was a little apprehensive about heading to Dublin area, as there seems to be quite a few restricted areas around it (CASEMENT/Baldonnel, etc) which I am worried might be tricky to fly around. I am a bit apprensive about flying across the Irish Sea (particularly in a Cessna), and someone with more experience has suggested flying up to Scotland, and then across to somewhere like Enniskillen. I know that this reduces the distance travelled over the sea. I'd love to go to Ireland, my grandmother was Irish, and i've always said that the first time that I go to Ireland I want to fly myself. I did some research over the weekend, looked at a map of Ireland, and the information and pictures of Wicklow looked lovely. I've just got to have the courage to do it now! Thanks for your reply!
Maxred - yes, it's good advice to have an alternative, especially after crossing all that water. I did originally think about going into Weston before, but I was a little apprehensive about heading to Dublin area, as there seems to be quite a few military/restricted areas around it (CASEMENT/Baldonnel, etc) which I am worried might be tricky to fly around. I would like something fairly straightforward, as I only have 140 hours Total Time, and although I am hoping to fly with someone more experienced, I still want to take responsiblity for the flight. Unfortunately I don't have Sky Demon, the aircraft that I hire has a GPS though. Thank you for your wishes, I hope to have a good flight, it's for a significant birthday, so I want to do something memorable!
Jan Olieslagers - thanks for your reply. I know that it sounds a bit silly, but yes, I am a bit apprehensive about filing a flight plan, as i've never done it before. I've only ever seen a flight plan whilst studying. I'm sure that it will be fine, and if there is any problem, they will ask for clarification. It's nice of you (having had the experience of having filed a flight plan) to offer me some advice. The advice about filing a practice is a great idea. Thank you
Fionn101 - A while ago did originally think about going into Weston, but as I mentioned in my comment to Maxred, I was a little apprehensive about heading to Dublin area, as there seems to be quite a few restricted areas around it (CASEMENT/Baldonnel, etc) which I am worried might be tricky to fly around. I am a bit apprensive about flying across the Irish Sea (particularly in a Cessna), and someone with more experience has suggested flying up to Scotland, and then across to somewhere like Enniskillen. I know that this reduces the distance travelled over the sea. I'd love to go to Ireland, my grandmother was Irish, and i've always said that the first time that I go to Ireland I want to fly myself. I did some research over the weekend, looked at a map of Ireland, and the information and pictures of Wicklow looked lovely. I've just got to have the courage to do it now! Thanks for your reply!
Hi KF,
The military exercise areas around Dublin are no big deal - many are "active" only at weekends, and even when active I've invariably been cleared through them without any hassle.
As others have said flight plans are mandatory for crossing an international FIR boundary, and you will need to file a GAR for your flight back to the UK 12 hours in advance.
Suggest you put a notice up at your airfield (guessing Sleap?) asking if any experienced ppl would like to come along for the ride in return for help with planning and the formalities. You could ask something similar on the "spare seats" thread on this forum.
As for routing, if it was me I'd route Sleap-Newcastle direct, asking for clearance through Dublin CTA at my desired crossing level , or descending to <2500' and going under it in the unlikely event clearance refused.
The military exercise areas around Dublin are no big deal - many are "active" only at weekends, and even when active I've invariably been cleared through them without any hassle.
As others have said flight plans are mandatory for crossing an international FIR boundary, and you will need to file a GAR for your flight back to the UK 12 hours in advance.
Suggest you put a notice up at your airfield (guessing Sleap?) asking if any experienced ppl would like to come along for the ride in return for help with planning and the formalities. You could ask something similar on the "spare seats" thread on this forum.
As for routing, if it was me I'd route Sleap-Newcastle direct, asking for clearance through Dublin CTA at my desired crossing level , or descending to <2500' and going under it in the unlikely event clearance refused.
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At the school I used to fly from, it was mandatory to do a cross channel checkout if you wanted to take one of their planes to L2K, which was fair enough. The added advantage is that you have an instructor with you who will show you how to successfully do a flight plan, verify it is in the system, how to activate it (and remember you will need tell ATC your ETA for the zone boundary so work that one out on the ground first), how to handle different ATC authorities etc etc......
Of course, nowadays there is SkyDemon or EasyVFR that will greatly assist with all the planning and flight plan filing / GAR filing so its much easier.
Of course, nowadays there is SkyDemon or EasyVFR that will greatly assist with all the planning and flight plan filing / GAR filing so its much easier.
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Hi KF
Just done a similar trip, using Skydemon to do the planning, GAR and flightplans. All easy.
Have a look at routing S via Strumble VOR. and across via Slany. Its useful to use IFR reporting points on your flightplan for FIR boundary crossing. We were in contact with London INFO and they handed us over to Shannon with a squawk. At 3000 feet we had full radio coverage.
Once in Ireland, flying is much simpler, with much better integration of services. You need a flightplan to enter or leave any controlled airspace, but in practice it's fine. We got cleared through the Shannon overhead at 2000 feet, flying from Inishmor to Waterford on one squawk.
Not required in the UK, but must be done in Ireland. An ATC unit will do it automatically, but a small airfield might not.
Just done a similar trip, using Skydemon to do the planning, GAR and flightplans. All easy.
Have a look at routing S via Strumble VOR. and across via Slany. Its useful to use IFR reporting points on your flightplan for FIR boundary crossing. We were in contact with London INFO and they handed us over to Shannon with a squawk. At 3000 feet we had full radio coverage.
Once in Ireland, flying is much simpler, with much better integration of services. You need a flightplan to enter or leave any controlled airspace, but in practice it's fine. We got cleared through the Shannon overhead at 2000 feet, flying from Inishmor to Waterford on one squawk.
make sure it gets closed after you land
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Of course you should first pursue progress as a pilot, and it seems clear to me you are working hard there, and to good effect. Keep going!
That said, and taken due care of, allow me to recommend you should become a more proficient forum participator here. Your last reply was so kind, so sweet, so well worded, so appropriate, that I actually began to doubt whether this was pprune at all. Next time, do be more straightforward, do not hesitate to insult some, or at least infuriate them, and throw in a handful of spelling errors - then and only then will you be really at home here!
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Jan Olieslagers - he he ... I know what you mean 
i've seen quite a few replies on other threads which end up getting taken over by people arguing about spelling / grammar, nothing at all to do with the original thread 
i've seen quite a few replies on other threads which end up getting taken over by people arguing about spelling / grammar, nothing at all to do with the original thread
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I wouldn't worry about flying into Weston. Dublin are very good at threading you through. Be aware that on the way out they may ask you to route by 'Killiney' which threw me a bit untill I realised they meant Kilo November Yankee, the NDB near Sallynoggin.
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This should help you with your questions
Flying in Ireland
Don't forget that apart from the UK GAR, you'll need to make arrangements for notifying the Irish Authorities. Contact Newcastle airport to find out their procedures (each airport has agreed different procedures with Customs).
Flying in Ireland
Don't forget that apart from the UK GAR, you'll need to make arrangements for notifying the Irish Authorities. Contact Newcastle airport to find out their procedures (each airport has agreed different procedures with Customs).
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dublinpilot,
If I may a couple of amendments to your excellent guide, based on my recent trip.
Flight plan processing is now 30 min as of June this year.
Taxi from Airport to Waterford is around Euro 20.
Although the nominal notice time at Inishmor is 3 hours, in practice the guys are there 9 to 5 during the summer, when departing we asked, and they said just go when you want.
Aer Arann may not be able to get hold of the Inishmaan crew in time, so be ready to go to Inishmor!!
If I may a couple of amendments to your excellent guide, based on my recent trip.
Flight plan processing is now 30 min as of June this year.
Taxi from Airport to Waterford is around Euro 20.
Although the nominal notice time at Inishmor is 3 hours, in practice the guys are there 9 to 5 during the summer, when departing we asked, and they said just go when you want.
Aer Arann may not be able to get hold of the Inishmaan crew in time, so be ready to go to Inishmor!!
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Kandi
You have not mentioned whether you hold any instrument qualifications like an IMCR?
If not and you are a pure VFR pilot do really be careful with the weather.
It is easy to have no horizon over the sea and remember too it can be CAVOK over land and thick fog banks over the sea so plan when you go very carefully.
Remember the weather over the pond in S Ireland is often very different to what you have in the UK.
I too would recommend Weston It is not difficult
the beauty of crossing near Anglesey is that you will have excellent radar coverage and helpful although very busy controllers and its very reassuring to see Anglesey behind you for some time and then a line of clouds marking the Irish coast ahead.
Make sure you have the usual Dinghy and life jackets and set off fairly early so you have plenty of daylight hours ahead.
Don't be bashful about taking someone more experienced along for the trip for the first time or if you have MSFS flying it on a home computer first they are surprisingly accurate especially if you have the photo like scenery added.
As a first time water crosser remember only you know the aircraft is over water the aircraft does not and its strange how a normally smooth running engine suddenly takes on a different tone and freaks you out! I am sure that over water you become more aware of the engine sounds and imagine all manner of ills.
Check the engine gauges on a regular basis, try to change tanks if possible over land.
Getting there is one thing coming back another so if you are staying more than the day make sure your return weather is going to be as good as the outbound as many have been caught out
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You have not mentioned whether you hold any instrument qualifications like an IMCR?
If not and you are a pure VFR pilot do really be careful with the weather.
It is easy to have no horizon over the sea and remember too it can be CAVOK over land and thick fog banks over the sea so plan when you go very carefully.
Remember the weather over the pond in S Ireland is often very different to what you have in the UK.
I too would recommend Weston It is not difficult
the beauty of crossing near Anglesey is that you will have excellent radar coverage and helpful although very busy controllers and its very reassuring to see Anglesey behind you for some time and then a line of clouds marking the Irish coast ahead.
Make sure you have the usual Dinghy and life jackets and set off fairly early so you have plenty of daylight hours ahead.
Don't be bashful about taking someone more experienced along for the trip for the first time or if you have MSFS flying it on a home computer first they are surprisingly accurate especially if you have the photo like scenery added.
As a first time water crosser remember only you know the aircraft is over water the aircraft does not and its strange how a normally smooth running engine suddenly takes on a different tone and freaks you out! I am sure that over water you become more aware of the engine sounds and imagine all manner of ills.
Check the engine gauges on a regular basis, try to change tanks if possible over land.
Getting there is one thing coming back another so if you are staying more than the day make sure your return weather is going to be as good as the outbound as many have been caught out
Pace
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As a first time water crosser remember only you know the aircraft is over water the aircraft does not and its strange how a normally smooth running engine suddenly takes on a different tone and freaks you out! I am sure that over water you become more aware of the engine sounds and imagine all manner of ills.
Check the engine gauges on a regular basis, try to change tanks if possible over land.
Check the engine gauges on a regular basis, try to change tanks if possible over land.
Thanks Malcom.
It's been awhile since I updated it, so probably due for a few updates such as those you suggested. I'll put them in asap.
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It's been awhile since I updated it, so probably due for a few updates such as those you suggested. I'll put them in asap.
dp
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One further thing, when we bought fuel in Waterford to depart to Inishmore, we were charged VAT at 23%. Departing from Waterford to Popham we weren't. That brought the price down to £1.76/litre. The best way then seems to be fuel up before you go, or land somewhere like Haverfordwest to refuel, then fill up on your way home.