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Why?
The RAF already spends lots of money in foreign countries.
(and I am being serious, looking at Canada, USA, Germany - not being lighthearted and meaning the Sandpit)
The RAF already spends lots of money in foreign countries.
(and I am being serious, looking at Canada, USA, Germany - not being lighthearted and meaning the Sandpit)
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All part of NATO.
And its an extension of a contract they have had for years.
Politically I think there is no chance of UKr money being paid to an independent Scotland entity on a UK government contract.
Even if the RAF wanted it to happen the MP's that are left will stop it.
And its an extension of a contract they have had for years.
Politically I think there is no chance of UKr money being paid to an independent Scotland entity on a UK government contract.
Even if the RAF wanted it to happen the MP's that are left will stop it.
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It's all about politics and perception, most people south of the boarder regard the Scotish independence vote as a regrettable platform and career enhancer of the SNP leader and would rather see Scotland as part of the union.
However if the decision of the Scotish people is to go their own way, so be it, but don't expect govenment money from down south to prop up the Scotish economy, there are plenty of flying schools in south of the boarder who would like to get their hands on this contract and I don't see it being renewed to support a foreign economy.
Remember independence means just that, the scots are going to be independent of the whole of the system south of the boarder............ They can't cherry pick the bits of independence that they want.
However if the decision of the Scotish people is to go their own way, so be it, but don't expect govenment money from down south to prop up the Scotish economy, there are plenty of flying schools in south of the boarder who would like to get their hands on this contract and I don't see it being renewed to support a foreign economy.
Remember independence means just that, the scots are going to be independent of the whole of the system south of the boarder............ They can't cherry pick the bits of independence that they want.
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No problem with trying to go it on our own - to me, that is what independence is all about.
Regards contracts. If in the EU, then (while I know there are some special rules on defence matters) there is a question of EU competition.
If not in the EU (ie if Scotland not allowed back in, or UKIP brings the UK/rUK out) then maybe there are EFTA or EEA rules? I don't know.
At the end of the day, any government should be seeking value for money. Hopefully Scotland will continue to provide that.
Regards contracts. If in the EU, then (while I know there are some special rules on defence matters) there is a question of EU competition.
If not in the EU (ie if Scotland not allowed back in, or UKIP brings the UK/rUK out) then maybe there are EFTA or EEA rules? I don't know.
At the end of the day, any government should be seeking value for money. Hopefully Scotland will continue to provide that.
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Defence contracts and value for money?
Nope. Singapore could turn out aircraft carriers at a third of the cost we are currently paying. The French could turn them out for maybe three quarters of our costs - because they are in practice at doing it (and now have a new one spare thanks to the sanctions).
No, defence contracts are all about politics and awarding contracts to countries that have just 'given you the finger' is something no politician would risk.
Nope. Singapore could turn out aircraft carriers at a third of the cost we are currently paying. The French could turn them out for maybe three quarters of our costs - because they are in practice at doing it (and now have a new one spare thanks to the sanctions).
No, defence contracts are all about politics and awarding contracts to countries that have just 'given you the finger' is something no politician would risk.
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xray face facts Scotland ain't going to be in the EU for a period. And more than likely the Uk will be out by the time they get back in if ever if the can't get a national bank sorted out.
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It's all about politics and perception, most people south of the boarder regard the Scotish independence vote as a regrettable platform and career enhancer of the SNP leader and would rather see Scotland as part of the union.
No, defence contracts are all about politics and awarding contracts to countries that have just 'given you the finger' is something no politician would risk.
Tayside get this because they have an impeccable track record on delivery and price. This will continue, whatever the result on the 18th.
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Well MJ, they get it year, on year. Must be doing something right.
Anyway, why would the small issue of an international border, stop them getting it in the future. Bit like us using the £, non?
Anyway, why would the small issue of an international border, stop them getting it in the future. Bit like us using the £, non?
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According to the news Tayside Aviation have won a 5 year contract. I expect MOD won't be able to pull out of the contract if Scotland votes yes (which would be bad news for us Scots for hundreds of reasons). I would not expect MOD to invite tenders from non-rUK companies when it comes up for renewal in 5 years time. As has been said already, the rUK politicians would not allow it. I hope Scotland votes no. If its yes the negotiations to separate out all the rules, regulations and administration in every walk of life will take 20 years not 18 months as SNP suggest. I've only just got my EASA license. I hope I won't have to apply for a Scottish PPL next year.
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I'm sure it is very reassuring to imagine that independence means picking and choosing the 'bits you want'.
Unfortunately independence is much more like pregnancy - you cannot be a 'little bit pregnant'.
So independence means you are 'foreign' and all obligations cease - apart perhaps for overseas aid.
Unfortunately independence is much more like pregnancy - you cannot be a 'little bit pregnant'.
So independence means you are 'foreign' and all obligations cease - apart perhaps for overseas aid.
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KayKay, please tell me you are not 68, as your moniker suggests, because if you are, what happened?
In an independent Scotland, in five years time, Tayside will be getting SDF contracts, and if they can manage, will expand to run other, foreign, contracts. Prey tell, what has made everyone so frightened of a Bright, fairer, and richer independant Scotland.
In an independent Scotland, in five years time, Tayside will be getting SDF contracts, and if they can manage, will expand to run other, foreign, contracts. Prey tell, what has made everyone so frightened of a Bright, fairer, and richer independant Scotland.
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Bright, fairer, and richer independant Scotland.
Doesn't sound like much freedom or independence too me.
I know, wrong forum. Won't happen again.
Edit to add: I was in Tayside Aviation Friday night, the place was hoching with RAF cadets and busy instructors, well done Tayside, it's all good.
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why would the small issue of an international border, stop them getting it in the future. Bit like us using the £, non?
This idea that everything will carry on as normal post split is very far of the mark.
To be honest it doesn't matter what way it goes things are going to changed for the worse for many years.
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Maxred – As Piperboy says this is the wrong forum for this. We are getting a long way off the aviation theme. It’s partly my fault because I widened it out. However I’ll respond as briefly as I can. “Bright, fairer and richer”. Bright ? …..even Alex can’t control the weather. Fairer ? – I don’t feel like a victim of unfairness. Going by Jim Sillars’ comments yesterday about punishing companies who speak against “Yes” I don’t think fairness would come into it, in the brave new world of an independent Scotland. Richer ? We are just starting to pull out of the financial crash of 2008. A yes vote would set us back again for years. The turmoil of extracting Scotland from the UK would take several years. Maybe, just maybe, after 20 years Scotland might be back to the level of prosperity it has now. However I’ll be 88 by then and probably won’t care, if I’m around at all. UK is one of the most stable, secure democracies in the Western world. It has some significant flaws but it is a tolerant society and a pleasant place to live, standing comparison with any other country. I’ve yet to hear a good reason why we should destroy it.
I said I would be brief ……….I promise I’ll stick to aviation in future.
I said I would be brief ……….I promise I’ll stick to aviation in future.
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Ahhhhh, just love the debate. Sorry, obviously I was winding things up slightly.
Yes, please back to aviation.
Tayside at Dundee has grown into a decent organisation under the JW stewardship.
The place is busy and thriving with cadets, and long may it continue. Regardless which way our big squabble goes, they deserve to keep and develop all contracts in flight training.
Yes, please back to aviation.
Tayside at Dundee has grown into a decent organisation under the JW stewardship.
The place is busy and thriving with cadets, and long may it continue. Regardless which way our big squabble goes, they deserve to keep and develop all contracts in flight training.
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They used to say that to create a general aviation business worth £1million you had to start by putting £5million into it and wait a few years ! That there are flying clubs and training organisations thriving at all is great. All power to the elbow of JW and his team at TAL and anyone else who can help keep light aircraft in the air.