NPPL/MICROLIGHT DUAL REVALIDATION

[much2much]

SORRY more license questions.



can any one point in the right direction for finding ,the information on revalidating more than one nppl rating

i understand the requirements it bringing them together

,where i am unsure

i have ssea and intend to revalidate early in the second year of validity jan 15, in order to be able to complete the hours on a EASA a/c before april of that year.


i will by then have added a microlight class rating .


?? can that be revalidated at the same time.?although,it will be in it,s first year of validity.

so as to bring both ratings to expiring in Jan 18,...that is 2 years from the expiry of my SSEA ,due for renewal Jan 16,(revalidating in the second year should revalidate
+ 2 years for original expiry)

?? will a microlight gst be counted as 1 hour dual?

any answer or where to look appreciated ,



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[Heston]

The microlight rating CANNOT be revalidated in its first year of validity.


The microlight GST (which should take more than one hour btw) counts as P1 under supervision if you pass and PUT if you fail. So you don't want it to count as dual time!


Contact the BMAA licence office 01869 337116 for more detailed answers. They are very helpful on this sort of question and do know their stuff.

[much2much]

Thanks for the answer ,just und[LIST=1]
[/understand,why it can not be revalidated in the first year,but by the time my SSEA IS REVALIDATED all requirements will have been met,it is only academic point on which date it is signed.I 'll call BMAA.

[Mach Jump]

If I understand your situation correctly, you should be able to synchronise your revals in 2 years time by doing the later one early, and then they will both expire on the same date. Remember also, that you can revalidate ratings up to 3 months early, as long as you have met the requirements, without loosing any validity. ie. The new Rating runs from the expiry date of the old one, so you may be able to revaidate both ratings at the same time, even if the expiry dates are up to 3 months apart.


MJ

[much2much]

yes . MJ I catch your drift, but they are /will be 8 month apart.


also I thought the 3 months ahead was for EASA where all the validity is required in year 2nd year


and nppl ratings were any time in the second year, then as you say valid from date of expiry for a further 24 months,


I have read somewhere efforts have been made to make consolidating ratings easy,


buggered if I know how ,let alone find the transcript I have read


thanks for your reply what will be will,

[Lone_Ranger]

T

he microlight rating CANNOT be revalidated in its first year of validity.

Are you sure?, as far as I am aware any NPPL Rating can be revalidated at any point during in the 2 year period since it was last re - validated

[Heston]

Yes absolutely certain. NPPL(M) has 24 month validity of rating period and the revalidation can only occur in the second 12 month period (this is because one of the requirements is that the pilot logs at least 6 hours in the second 12 months of the current validity period, so it cant be revalidated until those 6 hours have been done).


Amongst other things I'm a microlight examiner so I do know.

[Lone_Ranger]

Yes absolutely certain. NPPL(M) has 24 month validity of rating period

Yep

the revalidation can only occur in the second 12 month period

News to me, got a link?

[Heston]

See here for NPPL(M) revalidation requirements


http://bmaa.org/files/revalidation_of_ratings.pdf


The particular issue we are discussing is specifically addressed at paragraph 1.2.1.6

[much2much]

indeed it does read a NPPL rating can not be revalidated ,until the second year.re the hrs are complete

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I have no question here, and it is to ensue the 6 hrs are complete


but where multiple ratings are held only one needs to be on each class , plus the total requirements


at revalidation of of my SSEA all requirements will be met exept the microlight rating will not be in the second year.


effectively meaning a further 6 hours later to comply.


so not advantage gained either in been able to cross credit, or over a SEP ,except in the case of the later the medical requirement.


perhaps as well to apply or a LAPL fly on that .or


try my arm at a class 2 med for a EASA PPL; 12 hrs second year annual med! or may be


"f**k"CAA NPPL ,and EASA ..get


class 3 FAA and fly non EASA and microlight, on my FAA licence


or spend money, saved. to fly those hours, on a hooker and enjoy been F**cked ,but not by Bureaucrats.


???SO there again if I apply for a lapl will hours flown in EASA aircraft count towards maintaining my NPPL M rating given both SEA and Microlight will be on my CAA PPL


I totally understand the renewal requirements as read, but there is something somewhere, about consolidating, the date that I am missing.


The BMAA, despite, all good intent and been pleasant. were sadly lacking in information the last time I spoke to them on a different license issue, or perhaps a little afraid to comment without a official e mail request. May be correctly,

[much2much]

3 out of the 5 microlight examiners i asked said i do not need a microlight rating,and i can fly on my ssea, clarly not the case, i just can not find a answer,

[xrayalpha]

Heston,

While your reference is correct, it is also wrong.

One can revalidate an NPPLMicrolight RATING with just 60 minutes on a microlight.........

If one is also revalidating a SSEA rating and you have the required 11 hours on that.

Of course, the reverse i true and you can Reval an SSEA ratting on an NPPL with just one hour on an SSEA, if you have a micro rating and the 11 hours on that.

Now you can Reval as micro in the second 12 months, but an SSEA seems to be in the last three months!

What a crock of pooh.

As an examiner, I just try to make sense and sighn what I think ius best and easiest for the pilot.

To be frank, no one knows _ and no one cares.

[Heston]

Well yes, and I'm all for being pragmatic in individual cases, but I wouldn't sign an NPPL(M) revalidation in the first 12 months of the current validity - which seems to be the issue for the OP.

[xrayalpha]

Heston, you are confused between the revalidation of the rating and the Reval of the licence.

The stuff that you quote is only for a licence with just one rating on it.

To be fair, there is no paperwork advice i have ever found for licenses with two ratings!

[BEagle]

Might I suggest that you all read AIC W 089/2011 which explains the process for realignment of rating expiry dates for those holding more than one NPPL class rating.

This remains current policy.

[xrayalpha]

BEagle,

Thanks for that.

"... the date used for revalidation purposes shall be that of the earliest validity expiry date and the "12 and 24 month" periods within which the relevant flight experience shall have been obtained will be applied according to that date."

The example given is a bit neat, with two dates just a month or so apart.

But let us say that you had an SSEA valid from 1st January 2012, and sat a Micro GST in November 2013. This means you could, if you did a 60 mins total on a micro (not including GST, I presume) before the end of the validity of your SSEA around a month later, then you would have you NPPL SSEA and M revalidated immediately with a new validity date for both running from 1st January 2014 for 24 months.

So, in some respects, you would have "lost" c23 months of your M validity, but then you'd regain that - and more - when you revalidated your SSEA and M jointly.

(NB. For Heston, this is someone revalidating their Micro NPPL rating just a week after issue, no waiting until the second 12 month period - although, technically, you have "waited" since the second 12 month period is calculated from the SSEA date!)

Hope it is clearer than mud, and thanks to BEagle.

Now, what happens with the reval in the 2nd 12 months for micro and the final 3 months for SSEA that people also mention?

[Heston]

NB. For Heston, this is someone revalidating their Micro NPPL rating just a week after issue, no waiting until the second 12 month period - although, technically, you have "waited" since the second 12 month period is calculated from the SSEA date!

Oh OK I see what you mean now. Its sometimes helpful with these things to consider the extreme examples as a test of the logic. Well, every day is a school day.

(In your example it would of course still be necessary for the required number of hours to have been flown in both the first and second 12 month periods calculated backwards from the date at which the micro rating is to be revalidated (and as you say, as long as one hour was micro, the others could be SSEA))

And thanks Beagle - I wasn't aware of that AIC, though I should have been!

[much2much]

Thanks Beagle the very document i have been looking for ,i recall reading something, which said exactly that,

but could not find it it,

i am in need of i more reliable filling system than my ageing brain?

once again you have come to my rescue , and Xray alpha , yes that's what i thought ,

so thanks ,

hard some times to get the correct answer ,let alone a signature when there is so much confusion and lack of knowledge,out there,

coupled with" pub talk"

Fred said!!and and Bill would not sign mine so it must be right.

so in my case the date of the micro rating is not relevant, except in that it is valid

All solved many thanks and a few quid saved.

[xrayalpha]

And now:

2. REVALIDATING OTHER (non microlight) NPPL RATINGS
In the past Microlight Examiners have automatically been able to revalidate other Class
ratings in the NPPL, in addition to Microlight Class ratings, however this is no longer the
case. Examiners can only sign certificates for other NPPL Class ratings, SSEA and
SLMG, if their Examiner Authority specifically includes those Classes. If so the relevant
Classes will be printed on their Examiner Authorities.

So, one licence but different signatures!

One could have 11 hours in an SSEA and just one on a micro and I can revalidate your M rating, but not your SSEA!

You know, stuff the CAA and EASA - I don't care if Scotland is not a Crown Dependency, colony, part of the EU or just part of the UK.

Does any aviation organisation in the world make a worse job of things?

None of it makes sense.

[much2much]

well my thoughts entirely, hence the ramblings about spending money on hookers , and flying on a foreign license,


except I like been British. still September soon. Although Manx and JSY/Guernsey have there own regulation .. mm I wonder , suppose I it could be Z E -*** reg microlight for you( Z Eccosse ), what ever.