Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Non-Airline Forums > Private Flying
Reload this Page >

FAA LICENCE QUERY

Private Flying LAA/BMAA/BGA/BPA The sheer pleasure of flight.

FAA LICENCE QUERY

Old 12th May 2014, 15:55
  #1 (permalink)  
Moderator
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: uk
Posts: 151
FAA LICENCE QUERY

I have the old paper FAA licence , I have t flown in USA for about 8 yrs...Can anyone tell me is it straight forward to get it changed to the new credit card type ? Going to Orlando for few days in June..

Thanks in advance for any info
Kestrel is offline  
Old 12th May 2014, 17:23
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 1,082
Yes. I just sent them $2 and they sent me the plastic one.

If you do it in the USA I dont think you even have to pay the $2.

Just one thing though, If you have the 'piggy back' type FAA Certificate, dependent on the privileges of your UK licence, the FAA will need to request varification from the CAA to confirm that you have a valid licence.

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...=detail&id=521 CAA fee 44

You can go to Gatwick in person and get the whole thing done there before you go, Or do it when you get to the USA.

Be aware though, that the CAA are notoriously slow, so if you are going to do it in the USA, get the application above in NOW, and then expect a delay of a few days in the USA for the CAA's response to the FAA request.


MJ

Last edited by Mach Jump; 12th May 2014 at 18:23.
Mach Jump is offline  
Old 12th May 2014, 19:07
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Europe
Posts: 6,325
Is your FAA licence a full version or a Restricted version? The latter can be changed by submitting SRG2110 in person to Gatwick. Mine came back in 4 weeks.
Whopity is offline  
Old 12th May 2014, 23:47
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rennes
Posts: 176
If you haven't flown in eight years in the U.S., you'll still need a biennial flight review when you receive your new plastic licence before you can act as pilot in command. This applies even to restricted-use "piggyback" 61.75 FAA licences.

Fortunately, the U.S. regulations explicitly exclude BFRs from the definition of "flight instruction," so you won't have to be security-screened by the TSA first.
Blind Squirrel is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 19:44
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up There!!!
Age: 58
Posts: 426
Blind squirrel.

Please can you point me to the regulation that states that you need a Biennial flight check, in the USA, even with a CAA/EASA piggy back licence?

I have been through all the regulations regarding this & haven't seen any evidence of your statement.

On the back of my FAA piggy back licence it states that all privileges stated on the CAA/EASA licences apply to the FAA licence while in date & not revoked.

Also how do you record the biennial? The FAA don't give you any paperwork to log it on as proof.

My CAA Biennial is in date as I have recently completed it & sent the relevant paperwork off to the CAA with my instructors signature recorded on my CAA/EASA licence. As is my Medical.
My EASA licences are the proof that I hold the relevant privileges.

Cheers trev
7of9 is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 20:18
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 1,082
Please can you point me to the regulation that states that you need a Biennial flight check, in the USA, even with a CAA/EASA piggy back licence?
I too have looked into this and, although I don't have the FARs to hand at the moment, I remember that one of them states that an 'Airman Certificate' is only valid if you have a current BFR.

Also how do you record the biennial? The FAA don't give you any paperwork to log it on as proof.
A BFR is recorded in your logbook just like your 'Hour Traing Flight' under EASA.

My CAA Biennial is in date as I have recently completed it & sent the relevant paperwork off to the CAA with my instructors signature recorded on my CAA/EASA licence.
Your EASA 'Hour Training Flight' Is not the same as an FAA Bienniial, and I hope your Instructor was also an Examiner, as Instructors can't sign EASA Licences.



MJ

Last edited by Mach Jump; 13th May 2014 at 20:31. Reason: Punctuation
Mach Jump is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 20:30
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up There!!!
Age: 58
Posts: 426
Yes he was an examiner.

I will check the biennial thing out with the FAA.

I haven't read it in the FAR that I saw, must have been buried somewhere.

I have an hours check ride every year with an instructor before they rent me their aircraft.

Not being negative but just logging it is open to abuse, that's why I was asking where is it officially recorded on a document & logged with the FAA?

Cheers t
7of9 is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 20:38
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Scotland
Posts: 18
Maybe this helps

"Before exercising the privileges of the FAA certificate, the pilot must comply with the pertinent rules and requirements contained in 14 CFR Part 61 and 14 CFR Part 91. (61.56 flight review requirements, recency of experience requirements, 61.58 PIC proficiency check, 61.51 required logbook entries, etc.)"
supersani is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 20:41
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 68
Please can you point me to the regulation that states that you need a Biennial flight check, in the USA, even with a CAA/EASA piggy back licence?

FAR 61.56. FAR Part 61 Sec. 61.56 effective as of 11/15/2013

The BFR does not need to be accomplished in the USA, nor even in a N reg aircraft, but must be with a US CFI.
DLT1939 is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 21:36
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Escrick York england
Posts: 1,609
a 61.75 is issued by the FAA without a BFR

no knowledge of FAR s is required to obtain a 61.75 and if you never fly in USA you will never need to know any knowledge of FAR s

however to pass a BFR you will certainly need knowledge of the FAR s especially airspace classification and air law as this is asked on most BFR s when the cfi asks questions

strange isn't it ambiguities like this normally comes from the UK caa not the FAA
md 600 driver is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 22:18
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 1,082
a 61.75 is issued by the FAA without a BFR
Hi MD. Yes, the Certificate is issued without a BFR, but you can't exercise it's privileges without one, wherever you are.

You can fly an N reg. aircraft in the UK with just a valid UK issued Licence, or in any other country with a valid Licence issued there, but the operation is limited to that country. The FAA Certificate is required to go outside the country where your Licence was issued.


MJ
Mach Jump is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 22:34
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: BFS
Posts: 1,179
This is always a discussion which causes me to chortle.

Why wouldn't the FAA want a BFR to fly an N reg aircraft, in US airspace with an American licence? The whole 61.75 system is a bonus in my opinion, yet too many people view it as a right. Perhaps scared of seeing an examiner due complete lack of FAR knowledge despite purporting to hold an FAA licence.

It hasn't happened here yet but normally someone will be along soon to decry the nasty FAA for such an inconvenience.

If I relied on a 61.75 to fly I would be starting to think about getting a stand alone licence. EASA seem determined to force their will on those FAA licensed pilots over here. I can't see the FAA not reciprocating in some form unfortunately. And it really is easier, after the initial issue.

Last edited by silverknapper; 13th May 2014 at 22:45.
silverknapper is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 22:45
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up There!!!
Age: 58
Posts: 426
I did this after I got my FAA licence piggy back in the USA in 2010 before I was let loose in a rental aircraft.

I have check rides with the same instructor every year since before he lets me rent the aircraft.


T
7of9 is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 22:54
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 1,082
I have check rides with the same instructor every year ...
Is He actually doing a BFR without you realising?


MJ
Mach Jump is offline  
Old 13th May 2014, 23:02
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up There!!!
Age: 58
Posts: 426
Maybe, but next week I will ask him as need to stay legal.

In till this surfaced I didn't know it needed doing!

T
7of9 is offline  
Old 14th May 2014, 02:21
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: USA
Posts: 343
Not being negative but just logging it is open to abuse, that's why I was asking where is it officially recorded on a document & logged with the FAA?
7of9, the US system works on the basis that you prove you can fly to an examiner once, and receive a Private Pilot Certificate immediately from him. You are then forever presumed to be following the rules until some incident might occur and then maybe your personal records are checked for an instructors BFR entry. You do not need additional ongoing instruction records filed with government to remain an FAA Private Pilot, regardless of your flying activity.

If I relied on a 61.75 to fly I would be starting to think about getting a stand alone licence. EASA seem determined to force their will on those FAA licensed pilots over here. I can't see the FAA not reciprocating in some form unfortunately. And it really is easier, after the initial issue.
Taking the high ground generally works out better, and I think FAA knows it.

Still a good idea to get a stand alone FAA pilot certificate. If you never get a FAA Medical or BFR logbook entry for 40 years or whatever, then need to use the Pilot Certificate, its one day to complete those items with no direct Government contact (or fees). If you happen to be in the US and want to fly a Light Sport eligible aircraft, you could skip the medical and the whole thing is between you, your freelance instructor and your logbook.

Last edited by Silvaire1; 14th May 2014 at 02:35.
Silvaire1 is offline  
Old 14th May 2014, 03:10
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Escapee from Ultima Thule
Posts: 4,264
Two different issues:

1. Paper licences: No longer valid for any certificate. You will need to contact the FAA and request a plastic one. If you have a 61.75 cert then any changes to your underlying foreign licence, change of address etc will require a reissue of the whole thing ie foreign licence confirmation from the issuing Authority. Otherwise it's a simple replacement.

2. BFR: A current BFR is mandatory to exercise the privileges a US certificate. There are a few other checkrides/flight tests events that meet the BFR requirement but the general rule is a flight review within the last two years.

The key language in the FARs is that it must be with an authorised instructor. The only authorised instructors are those that hold FAA instructor ratings - hence why similar flights done with a foreign instructor don't count. Unless the instructor also holds an FAA instructor rating, of course - but then it would be with an FAA instructor. Geddit?
Tinstaafl is offline  
Old 14th May 2014, 04:31
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,843
I would think it would be hard to get a flight review and not know it. Your logbook will have sometime along the lines of:

I certify that (First name, MI, Last name), (pilot certificate), (certificate number), has satisfactorily completed a flight review of section 61.56(a) on (date).

J. J. Jones 987654321 CFI Exp. 12-31 -05

at the completion.
MarkerInbound is offline  
Old 24th May 2014, 12:25
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Up There!!!
Age: 58
Posts: 426
I am now in the USA.

I was at the FAA office yesterday getting my FAA piggy back licence change to the EASA new prefixed one.

I asked the FAA officer, who incidentally used to own his own flying school & was an instructor/examiner, if he could tell me the ruling on the biennial flight review.

He printed off for me the instruction where it points out that all pilots with an FAA licence of any description MUST undertake a Biennial Flight Review.

Google document 8900.1 CHG0 volume 5 chapter 2 section 14 5-603 procedures, information I
Reads as follows;

Discuss Relevent Regulations with Applicant.
Advise the applicant about the rules ans requirements contained in part61 and in part91 (flight review requirements, regency of experience requirements, log book entries, etc.) As a point of a
Emphasis, make clear to the applicant that a flight review (see 61.56) must be administered by the holder of an FAA flight instructor certificate with the appropriate ratings before he/she may exercise the privileges of his/her U.S pilot certificate. The proficiency checks administered by a foreign flight instructor do not count as meeting the flight review requirements of 61.56.


I pointed out the wording on the back of the plastic licence, where it states all privileges of the pilots home country licence apply, which I pointed out that "some" believe that the two year SEP revaluation applies as a biennial, he states that this is not the case.

Those on here who have been pointing out that it's needed, are right & need to be believed, if you are flying an N reg in the UK on your FAA licence & take it overseas, without completing or having an indate FAA biennial, you may invalidate your insurance & find yourself in trouble, if you happen to be subject to a ramp check & the person conducting it picks it up.

Hope this helps to clarify & backs up what has been said on here & other threads where arguments & dought has been cast.

My flight review was booked before I came out here not as an afterthought from this meeting.

Cheers T
7of9 is offline  
Old 24th May 2014, 20:38
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Rennes
Posts: 176
Dear Trev,

May I ask how long it took for your letter of verification from the FAA to arrive from Oklahoma City? And how long after that did you have to wait for an appointment with the FSDO? I'm going through this tiresome process myself at the moment, and it all seems to be taking an inordinately long time.

BSq
Blind Squirrel is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.