Revalidating issues at Donair East Midland
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Revalidating issues at Donair East Midland
Has anybody had an issues revalidating their SEP at Donair Flying Club based at East Midlands airport?
I did, or at least thought i had done my SEP revalidation last August 2013, but did not get a signature from an examiner as I was told told by an instructor and the CFI i did not not need one as I had the new EASE license! This is the first time i have gone through the process and was pretty sure I had understood it, but was convinced otherwise by those that should know about these things. SEP expired November 2013 so i have been flying with an out of date SEP at another airfield in December. lucky, ironically, bad weather and other commitments kept me on the ground through Jan and Feb!
As soon as the error was spotted i attempted to rectify the issue with Donair who informed me that I needed to fly mini skills test with an examiner in order to renew my SEP. Had this all booked up with Donair and a external examiner, but the owner MD has cancelled it and told me to go away! no explanation?
I have now sent a letter to the CAA explaining my situation detailing dates etc and will see what they say. I'm wondering if anyone has been through this type of thing and can give me a heads up on what to expect.
I did, or at least thought i had done my SEP revalidation last August 2013, but did not get a signature from an examiner as I was told told by an instructor and the CFI i did not not need one as I had the new EASE license! This is the first time i have gone through the process and was pretty sure I had understood it, but was convinced otherwise by those that should know about these things. SEP expired November 2013 so i have been flying with an out of date SEP at another airfield in December. lucky, ironically, bad weather and other commitments kept me on the ground through Jan and Feb!
As soon as the error was spotted i attempted to rectify the issue with Donair who informed me that I needed to fly mini skills test with an examiner in order to renew my SEP. Had this all booked up with Donair and a external examiner, but the owner MD has cancelled it and told me to go away! no explanation?
I have now sent a letter to the CAA explaining my situation detailing dates etc and will see what they say. I'm wondering if anyone has been through this type of thing and can give me a heads up on what to expect.
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You will need to do an LPC as your rating has now expired. Seems a bit strange that they have put you in this position.
However if you need some help I can do the LPC for you and I am not far away. Drop me a PM if you want some help.
However if you need some help I can do the LPC for you and I am not far away. Drop me a PM if you want some help.
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strollerweb,
I am also nearby and can assist with LPC if needed.
It will depend which licence you have opted for: a LAPL has different requirements to a PPL. Happy to guide you through it.
ifitaint...
I am also nearby and can assist with LPC if needed.
It will depend which licence you have opted for: a LAPL has different requirements to a PPL. Happy to guide you through it.
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Hi Strollerweb.
I think Bose and Ifitaintboeing have it covered.
Just to add that if you have a LAPL, It doesn't need a signature. It has a 'rolling' 2 year validity. This means that if you have 12 hours P1, including 12 takeoffs and landings, + 1 hour training with an instructor in the 2 years preceeding the flight you want to do then it is still valid.
MJ
I think Bose and Ifitaintboeing have it covered.
Just to add that if you have a LAPL, It doesn't need a signature. It has a 'rolling' 2 year validity. This means that if you have 12 hours P1, including 12 takeoffs and landings, + 1 hour training with an instructor in the 2 years preceeding the flight you want to do then it is still valid.
MJ
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Thank you for the positive feedback. I wonder if the LAPL revalidation is were the confusion came in. Still confused by the attitude and actions of Donair
I actually have a EASA PPL which was converted from the JAR PPL when I added a night endorsement. I have been put in touch with an examiner that lives down the road. But it's good to know there are people there willing to help, thank you Bose and Ifitinboeing for your offers
I actually have a EASA PPL which was converted from the JAR PPL when I added a night endorsement. I have been put in touch with an examiner that lives down the road. But it's good to know there are people there willing to help, thank you Bose and Ifitinboeing for your offers
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Before you go to the Examiner you must have a course completion certificate SRG1119D signed by an ATO or RF before you can do the test. No training required but you must have this piece of paper.
I can assist with that as well being HoT and all that....
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thought i had done my SEP revalidation last August 2013
In which case find the same Examiner and get them to sign your Rating entry?
NB: Still not legal to fly until you do.
Or do you mean you completed the requirements to revalidate by experience
but then didn't (due bad advice) do the administrative step of getting an
Examiner to sign your paperwork.
In which case you will need, as others have stated, a course completion
certificate and then to pass an LPC with an Examiner to get your
paperwork signed and renew your Rating to become legal again.
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strollerweb Your form is incorrect. There is no need for a Course Completion
Certificate for an SEP Revalidation by LPC (only for Renewal).
Certificate for an SEP Revalidation by LPC (only for Renewal).
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Or do you mean you completed the requirements to revalidate by experience
but then didn't (due bad advice) do the administrative step of getting an
Examiner to sign your paperwork.
In which case you will need, as others have stated, a course completion
certificate and then to pass an LPC with an Examiner to get your
paperwork signed and renew your Rating to become legal again.E]
but then didn't (due bad advice) do the administrative step of getting an
Examiner to sign your paperwork.
In which case you will need, as others have stated, a course completion
certificate and then to pass an LPC with an Examiner to get your
paperwork signed and renew your Rating to become legal again.E]
strollerweb Your form is incorrect. There is no need for a Course Completion
Certificate for an SEP Revalidation by LPC (only for Renewal).
Certificate for an SEP Revalidation by LPC (only for Renewal).
To rub salt into wounds the weather has been perfect today, so had Donair allowed me to fly with the examiner I most likely would have all been signed off
....its Friday, deep breath and smile 
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due to lack of signature its now a renewal unfortunately.
However the form you posted (#8) remains incorrect.
"SEP Revalidation by Prof Check" does not require a Course Completion Certificate
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However the form you posted (#8) remains incorrect.
"SEP Revalidation by Prof Check" does not require a Course Completion Certificate
"SEP Revalidation by Prof Check" does not require a Course Completion Certificate
I understand by experience and renewal, but not sure about prof check. is that when you dont have enough hours (12hrs, 6hrs, 12 landings etc)?
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I understand by experience and renewal, but not sure about prof check
Requires an assessment of Training Needs, and hence a "Course Completion Certificate",
before an LPC with an Examiner.
No other options
Revalidation = Rating still valid and wanting to continue maintaining it valid for another
period without break.
No training required, so no "Course Completion Certificate" required.
For SEP two revalidation options available:
- An LPC with an Examiner at any time.
- Revalidation by Experience (gained during the second year of validity)
Both (as you discovered) requiring an Examiner to then complete the paperwork
(sign your Ratings page) to 'action' the Revalidation.
The difference is between Renewal and Revalidation.
Not between "Reval by Experience" and "Reval by Prof Check"
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Requires an assessment of Training Needs, and hence a "Course Completion Certificate",
before an LPC with an Examiner.
before an LPC with an Examiner.
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Managed to get up on Wednesday and complete the test, licensed signed and all documention sent to the CAA. Fingers crossed it's right this time and not such a drama next time! Thank you all for the advice and support.
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This is a typical example of why the human race will become extinct, because no common sense will be applied to anything, certainly the regulators.
You could have someone who has done 100 hours in the last 12 months and goes over by a few days because the date of expiry is printed in micro writing on a licence which might be opened once year to check a medical,
then are forced to do a LPC.
Someone else with the bare minimum, and who you suspect ought to have a flight test can just get signed off.
I came across someone using their UK licence to fly in the US whose 5 year licence expired 4 years ago! It would appear neither the pilot understood he had an expiring licence and the US club didn't know what they were looking at.
You could have someone who has done 100 hours in the last 12 months and goes over by a few days because the date of expiry is printed in micro writing on a licence which might be opened once year to check a medical,
then are forced to do a LPC.
Someone else with the bare minimum, and who you suspect ought to have a flight test can just get signed off.
I came across someone using their UK licence to fly in the US whose 5 year licence expired 4 years ago! It would appear neither the pilot understood he had an expiring licence and the US club didn't know what they were looking at.
