Conversion from PA28 to Cessna 152
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From: Oop North, UK
So you really need an instructor to change from a PA28 to a C150? i think not. These are PPLs not students!
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Has anyone ever bought a car at a car auction in the winter (dark) then had to drive it out of their car park before it gets locked up, drive through a busy town trying to find the light switch, wiper switch, the window switch cos some prat left them open, adjust the seat, all without the chance to see things in daylight? Then find the fuel warning light on & have 10miles to go before you find a filling station? But you arrive home with the radio blaring, a full tank, all lights on, windows shut etc. what is the problem in broad daylight flying a slightly different aeroplane? Attitude! Feel! Get on with it! Or am I being bloody minded?
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There is one difference between Electric Flaps and Lever Flaps...
The transition time for Electric flaps is about 4 seconds for each stage
of flap. With the Handle, you can go from full flap to none in less than
a second (especially if it slips out of your fingers!).
So on a Cessna, for a go-around or T+G, Its just one movement of your right hand Right to Left over the Flaps, Mixture, Power, and Carb Heat. By the time you have reached the carb heat, the flaps will have almost finished their transit.
The transition time for Electric flaps is about 4 seconds for each stage
of flap. With the Handle, you can go from full flap to none in less than
a second (especially if it slips out of your fingers!).
So on a Cessna, for a go-around or T+G, Its just one movement of your right hand Right to Left over the Flaps, Mixture, Power, and Carb Heat. By the time you have reached the carb heat, the flaps will have almost finished their transit.
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From: In the boot of my car!
Pace, how many PPL conversions/checkouts have you done?
But as stated have literally years back had the keys thrown at me on complex singles I have never flown and got on with it.
Some time with the POH, Some time sitting static in the aircraft examining every switch and then flown off sometimes into IMC with such aircraft.
Its no big deal and I am nothing special
I really do think its either money making by the training establishments or there are some pretty incompetent pilots around.
As for a PPL yes PPL going from a PA28 TO c152 ???
its a bit like driving a ford fiesta and needing instruction to drive a volkswagen polo. Your not going from a ford Fiesta to a formula 1 Car.Pace
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Has anyone ever bought a car at a car auction in the winter (dark) then had to drive it out of their car park before it gets locked up,
its a bit like driving a ford fiesta and needing instruction to drive a volkswagen polo.
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From: In the boot of my car!
Foxmouth
I appreciate that if you turn up at a flying club unknown they will want some sort of checkout. Sadly while many licensed pilots are competent many are totally incompetent 
and I would be unhappy sending my nearest and dearest up for a flight with them (can think of quite a few who fill that category)
Having done 45 minutes in a PA28 and determined you are well up to speed and competent I see no reason why they should demand another checkout on an equal aircraft like a 150. Unless their motives are to do with money.
Pace
Again, it depends on your experience - if you have done this a number of times, no problem. IF you have just passed your licence then you will be very nervous doing either and probably would like someone next to you - Also, of course, you are talking flying clubs that have minimum requirements and realistically are talking about an hour checkout - even with my experience I would not expect to go to an flying club that does not know me and be allowed to fly their aircraft with much less than a 45 min checkout!
and I would be unhappy sending my nearest and dearest up for a flight with them (can think of quite a few who fill that category)Having done 45 minutes in a PA28 and determined you are well up to speed and competent I see no reason why they should demand another checkout on an equal aircraft like a 150. Unless their motives are to do with money.
Pace
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From: Oop North, UK
Pace,
Well, using my incorrect user name after having been put right before is either deliberately insulting or careless ignorance! I feel very insulted!
Personally I would agree that a conversion for an experienced pilot from Piper to Cessna should need very little, but I think in real life you will be hard pushed to find a club that will NOT require a full hour conversion as a minimum. For inexperienced pilots most DO need this and I think your experience might blind you to how poor some can be! I did point out though that most schools should be able to do the conversion WITH the club checkout. More realistic for a Pa28 pilot would be to do an hour checkout with conversion and then a few circuits to satisfy them you are still ok on the Pa28.
Well, using my incorrect user name after having been put right before is either deliberately insulting or careless ignorance! I feel very insulted!
Personally I would agree that a conversion for an experienced pilot from Piper to Cessna should need very little, but I think in real life you will be hard pushed to find a club that will NOT require a full hour conversion as a minimum. For inexperienced pilots most DO need this and I think your experience might blind you to how poor some can be! I did point out though that most schools should be able to do the conversion WITH the club checkout. More realistic for a Pa28 pilot would be to do an hour checkout with conversion and then a few circuits to satisfy them you are still ok on the Pa28.
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From: Yorkshire
Well, the OP, if anyone can remember him, told us that he had 80 hours and inferred that the PA28 was the only aircraft he had flown.
Matt.
I hope you managed to gain some useful info from this thread dispite the bickering.
MJ
Matt.
I hope you managed to gain some useful info from this thread dispite the bickering.
MJ
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FOXMOTH maybe change the aircraft name to FoxMouth ??? Joined: May 2005
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I was once given a very stern rebuke by an elderly lady doctor when I referred to her aircraft as a Foxmoth.
'This, young man, is a Hornetmoth! not a Foxmoth!'
(Long time since I was called a 'young man')
You probably know who I mean
MJ
'This, young man, is a Hornetmoth! not a Foxmoth!'
(Long time since I was called a 'young man')You probably know who I mean
MJ
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From: Oop North, UK
FOXMOTH maybe change the aircraft name to FoxMouth ???
I was once given a very stern rebuke by an elderly lady doctor when I referred to her aircraft as a Foxmoth.
'This, young man, is a Hornetmoth! not a Foxmoth!' (Long time since I was called a 'young man')
You probably know who I mean
MJ
'This, young man, is a Hornetmoth! not a Foxmoth!' (Long time since I was called a 'young man')
You probably know who I mean
MJ
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From: Wor Yerm
There is only one plane worse than a C152 and that's a C150. Both are nasty little aircraft. They have wacking great engines, drink fuel like they have a leak yet are barely capable of dragging themselves into the sky. It is most unlikely you'll be able to take two adults and sufficient fuel to do anything more than taxiing. Take more time, save more money but stick to the PA28.
PM
PM
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From: Oop North, UK
That is a bit negative to the Cessna - personally I would not go for Piper OR Cessna - To my mind there are many other better options, but for clubs/schools they make sense and it is then a case of what fits what you are trying to achieve, if a C150/2 fits the bill and the price is right, go for it!
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From: Yorkshire
Cessna 150/152s, and Piper PA28s for that matter, 'do exactly what they say on the tin'. They are safe, stable, simple aeroplanes that are virtually indestructible in the training role.
It's not really fair to criticise them for being dull and boring.
MJ
It's not really fair to criticise them for being dull and boring.
MJ
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From: Oop North, UK
It's not really fair to criticise them for being dull and boring.
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From: Yorkshire
Hahaha 
Foxmoth. But they were designed to be like that, and they do it very well! I even feel the need to defend 'that abortion' the Cessna Aerobat. Elevator so heavy at speed that you needed two hands to pull 6G, but in it's time, probably introduced more people to aerobatics than any other type.
MJ
Foxmoth. But they were designed to be like that, and they do it very well! I even feel the need to defend 'that abortion' the Cessna Aerobat. Elevator so heavy at speed that you needed two hands to pull 6G, but in it's time, probably introduced more people to aerobatics than any other type.
MJ
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