Cranfield crash, 5 June 2013

[Jim59]

Genghis, if it isn't on the syllabus, surely it should be? if we take into account the Australian study... Who decides these things in the UK?
Could you send me a pm? I have another question .....

Mary

The EASA syllabus is an Acceptable Means of Compliance (AMC) published by EASA. Any training organisation can decide it wants to change the syllabus and can submit its proposed difference to the CAA for approval. If the CAA agrees it can approve this difference for only the applicant or for all schools as it thinks fit - but it is still an alternative AMC - the EASA one is still vaid - so schools can elect whether to adopt the new version or not.

The CAA also has to notify EASA who can make the alternative AMC available to all other nations' CAA equivalents. If widely adopted EASA could incorporate it in its AMC for all to use.

One possible change would be to add full spin recover training if a school thought it appropriate. If approved it would allow instruction in spinning without the instructor needing an aerobatic rating. Without a 'custom' AMC the instructor would need an aerobatic rating to teach full spin and recovery. All the school needs to do is write its proposed AMC with a safety justification and submit it to the CAA (no doubt with a cheque).

[Genghis the Engineer]

... and persuade students, in a competitive market, to pay for all this extra training which they wouldn't need at Bloggs Flying School down the road.

G

[Pittsextra]

Ha you hit the nail on the head... paying for extra training, good grief, after all what can possibly go wrong!

[shakehandsman]

what next

I have to agree with this........There are two issues here! Engine then (and in that order) the turn!

Apparently the owner has been telling people it's the airport's fault as he found grass cuttings in his fuel tank! (Heard 2nd hand - not from the horses mouth)

ps. I too received a PM from 'flyingbedfordshire', but claiming to be a club member.

[Tupperware Pilot]

Apparently the owner has been telling people it's the airport's fault as he found grass cuttings in his fuel tank! (Heard 2nd hand - not from the horses mouth)

that wont go down well if he is doing that.....but again i have heard many stories....some are clearly BS some are based on the truth!

17th Jun 2013 13:24shakehandsmanwhat next
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I have to agree with this........There are two issues here! Engine then (and in that order) the turn!
Apparently the owner has been telling people it's the airport's fault as he found grass cuttings in his fuel tank! (Heard 2nd hand - not from the horses mouth)

ps. I too received a PM from 'flyingbedfordshire', but claiming to be a club member.

Post it!

[mad_jock]

Grass cuttings in the tanks only come from one place, and that's using jerry cans to fill the tanks with nothing to strain the fuel going in.

[rob_k31]

that's using jerry cans to fill the tanks

Jerry Cans... I used to go to school with him, he never could do anything right

[Saab Dastard]

Can I remind everyone that Private Messages are just that - Private.

The contents of PMs are NOT to be publicly quoted in the forums.

SD

[Tupperware Pilot]

Can I remind everyone the Private Messages are just that - Private.

The contents of PMs are NOT to be publicly quoted in the forums.

SD

A quick look at the T&Cs ...does not say that? I may have missed that? PM me with details? (i wont post your PM)

[Saab Dastard]

TP,

Time to refresh your memory of the Site Rules that you agreed to at the time you joined:

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Note that these are contained in the FAQ link at the TOP of every page, and are distinct from the legal Ts & Cs - link at the bottom of the page.

SD

ps - by posting the reply here, I'm not singling you out, just thought it would be useful for many people to re-read the "rules of engagment".

[Tupperware Pilot]

thanks SD...

[Maoraigh1]

Grass cuttings in the tanks only come from one place, and that's using jerry cans to fill the tanks with nothing to strain the fuel going in.

Dropped filler cap on recently cut grass, picked it up and replaced it without looking, while checking contents on a pre-flight?
(I use a filter, but Tesco EN228 RON95 has always been grass free).

[Genghis the Engineer]

Originally Posted by Maoraigh1

Dropped filler cap on recently cut grass, picked it up and replaced it without looking, while checking contents on a pre-flight?
(I use a filter, but Tesco EN228 RON95 has always been grass free).

All aircraft fuel tanks should have finger strainers, and you'd need a heck of a lot of grass to block one of those. This grass issue sounds like a complete red herring to me.

G

[shakehandsman]

This grass issue sounds like a complete red herring to me

I agree.

From what's been said by the individual to others, and on here (in various guises) Everything/one is to blame apart from the maintenance and fuel - they are perfect.....

[GBOZR]

''I think it is very telling to tell that G-BOZR or ZULU ROMEO is a AA5a that is registered to Billings next door. They have had two very serious accidents this year already.''

G-BOZR is a Cessna 152 at CFS. Billins don't own any of their aircraft. There are two aircraft that Billins use G-RATI (Cessna 172) and another AA5 which is currently in the hangar having some work done as a student experienced a prop strike. Billins are currently using G-RATE (AA5 Cheetah) in the meantime whilst the other AA5 is being repaired.

[x933]

Grass in the fuel has got to be bollocks. Or the unluckiest pilot in the world, one of the two.

Suprised no one has mentioned carb icing as a possible cause yet - though admittedly I haven't bothered looking at the weather on the day.

[shakehandsman]

Anyone know how the pilot & instructor came out of this? I heard they were in the hospital for quite some time. Hopefully all ok now..

[Shaggy Sheep Driver]

The 'student' was the brother of a guy I know. He was badly injured and is still in a bad way.

Is the AAIB report on this out yet?

[rob_k31]

I don't think the AAIB have reported yet.

[greggj]

Report

The report is out, and boy oh boy it makes my hair stand on the back reading this.

http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...BN%2003-14.pdf