Cranfield crash, 5 June 2013
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I've been around Cranfield all week. No talk of it anymore, however I've heard a lot of stories. PFT's Tomahawks seem to be missing though, and they are also open again (14th June) The only Tommie on the field at the moment is one parked outside Cranfield Flying School in amongst their Cessna 152's.
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I read the accident report you put forward and was struck by
paragraph 2 where the pilot deploys flaps and undercarriage before
ensuring the glide approach to the runway.
Surely you should be certain of making the runway before
you add drag?
-- Andrew
paragraph 2 where the pilot deploys flaps and undercarriage before
ensuring the glide approach to the runway.
Surely you should be certain of making the runway before
you add drag?
-- Andrew
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For those interested in the pilots condition - both are doing well and have asked to pass on their thanks for their best wishes.
I fly with Cranfield PFT and am sick and tired upto the back teeth of what is obviously the other local schools having a go.
I KNOW that they only used AVGAS and picked it up from Cranfield or Hinton. We were encouraged to go to Hinton for fuel cos it was a lot cheaper.
With regards to the accident, I amongst others heard him to radio declare that he was turning back. He was about 250-300 feet at the time.
The aircraft was doing circuits and the accident happened after a touch and go. I was in the club yesterday and know that both the pilots are doing well. One is expected out of hospital this week but needs some dental work. The other has his leg in plaster and will be in traction for several weeks. If you ask me both are lucky to be alive having done the "impossible turn".
NEVER TURN BACK.
I think it is very telling to tell that G-BOZR or ZULU ROMEO is a AA5a that is registered to Billings next door. They have had two very serious accidents this year already. There is then another poster that works for another flying school locally.
As for the rest- let the AAIB do their job. I will put my money on it being pilot error and nothing else.
I fly with Cranfield PFT and am sick and tired upto the back teeth of what is obviously the other local schools having a go.
I KNOW that they only used AVGAS and picked it up from Cranfield or Hinton. We were encouraged to go to Hinton for fuel cos it was a lot cheaper.
With regards to the accident, I amongst others heard him to radio declare that he was turning back. He was about 250-300 feet at the time.
The aircraft was doing circuits and the accident happened after a touch and go. I was in the club yesterday and know that both the pilots are doing well. One is expected out of hospital this week but needs some dental work. The other has his leg in plaster and will be in traction for several weeks. If you ask me both are lucky to be alive having done the "impossible turn".
NEVER TURN BACK.
I think it is very telling to tell that G-BOZR or ZULU ROMEO is a AA5a that is registered to Billings next door. They have had two very serious accidents this year already. There is then another poster that works for another flying school locally.
As for the rest- let the AAIB do their job. I will put my money on it being pilot error and nothing else.
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flyingbedfordshire has sent me a PM claiming he is a mate of the instructor. I'm checking this out with my contacts at Hinton and Cranfield. But I'm sure its the owner of PFT he got caught a month or so ago trying the same thing on the other forum. and has tried it here are well....... nice try chris!
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"Doesn't strike me that throwing acusations at the other nearby schools helps anybody much."
Well said - especially when 30 seconds spent looking on G-INFO establishes that neither the Cessna nor any of the AA5's at Cranfield are registered to Billins. Just the usual poorly-executed distraction tactic from flyingbedfordshireand a host of other single-post 'forumites'.
The question which interests me is why the engine failed in the first place.
As another factual aside, Billins has a good reputation on the airfield and has been trading there for 20 years. PFT (Cranfield) has barely been there 6 months, having originally started at Hinton only 2 years ago.
Well said - especially when 30 seconds spent looking on G-INFO establishes that neither the Cessna nor any of the AA5's at Cranfield are registered to Billins. Just the usual poorly-executed distraction tactic from flyingbedfordshireand a host of other single-post 'forumites'.
The question which interests me is why the engine failed in the first place.
As another factual aside, Billins has a good reputation on the airfield and has been trading there for 20 years. PFT (Cranfield) has barely been there 6 months, having originally started at Hinton only 2 years ago.
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this is the PM i got, i have just had it confirmed that the real Antonyn did not send it! Again nice try Chris!
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My name is antonyn. Sam is a good mate of mine. He run cranfield. It was speaking to him that I got the info. He admits it was his cock up. I trained with sam at stapleford and we did our atpl writtens together.
You may hate chris as much as anyone but wait for the aaib and u will c im right.
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My name is antonyn. Sam is a good mate of mine. He run cranfield. It was speaking to him that I got the info. He admits it was his cock up. I trained with sam at stapleford and we did our atpl writtens together.
You may hate chris as much as anyone but wait for the aaib and u will c im right.
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If you ask me both are lucky to be alive having done the "impossible turn".
"Doesn't strike me that throwing acusations at the other nearby schools helps anybody much."
Well said - especially when 30 seconds spent looking on G-INFO establishes that neither the Cessna nor any of the AA5's at Cranfield are registered to Billins. Just the usual poorly-executed distraction tactic from flyingbedfordshire aka JPlumridge and a host of other single-post 'forumites'.
The question which interests me is why the engine failed in the first place.
As another factual aside, Billins has a good reputation on the airfield and has been trading there for 20 years. PFT (Cranfield) has barely been there 6 months, having originally started at Hinton only 2 years ago.
Well said - especially when 30 seconds spent looking on G-INFO establishes that neither the Cessna nor any of the AA5's at Cranfield are registered to Billins. Just the usual poorly-executed distraction tactic from flyingbedfordshire aka JPlumridge and a host of other single-post 'forumites'.
The question which interests me is why the engine failed in the first place.
As another factual aside, Billins has a good reputation on the airfield and has been trading there for 20 years. PFT (Cranfield) has barely been there 6 months, having originally started at Hinton only 2 years ago.
Billins has certainly been there a long time and seems to hang onto both a reasonable reputation, and financial solvency. Both rare and valuable commodities in light aviation!
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Its the "other" AA5 in the "shop" recovering from a student PIO tip strike
That's the only incident this year as far as I know
The C150 that was on Billins line has been moved elsewhere .
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Its the "other" AA5 in the "shop" recovering from a student PIO tip strike
That's the only incident this year as far as I know
The C150 that was on Billins line has been moved elsewhere .
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Hmm they hardly "did" the impossible turn. They binned the aircraft and severely injured themselves. A clear point that we never turn back for a reason. An Instructor should gave known better....
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Just a quick update
Hi All, My name Antony and I am friends with the Pilot Sam Lyon.
If you receive any messages from anyone like "Flying Bedfordshire" or others claiming they are someone called Antony then be aware they are highly likely to be Chris Alexander the owner of the club.
I speak to Sam regularly and he wanted me to make you all aware of the situation and his condition.
He is still in hospital but making a good recovery and is expected to make a full recovery.
He also wanted me to explain why he turned back. He was still over the runway when he commenced his turn and he still also had partial power, otherwise he wouldn't have considered it. The power only totally died during the turn.
I am aware people are getting messages allegedly from me claiming that I think it was his fault. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL AND I MAY WELL HAVE DONE THE SAME THING BASED ON THE SITUATION.
The AAIB will almost certainly put the crash down to an aging aircraft rather than anything else.
I want to thank the people who have made me aware that someone using my name is PM people claiming to be from me.
If you receive any messages from anyone like "Flying Bedfordshire" or others claiming they are someone called Antony then be aware they are highly likely to be Chris Alexander the owner of the club.
I speak to Sam regularly and he wanted me to make you all aware of the situation and his condition.
He is still in hospital but making a good recovery and is expected to make a full recovery.
He also wanted me to explain why he turned back. He was still over the runway when he commenced his turn and he still also had partial power, otherwise he wouldn't have considered it. The power only totally died during the turn.
I am aware people are getting messages allegedly from me claiming that I think it was his fault. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE THAT AT ALL AND I MAY WELL HAVE DONE THE SAME THING BASED ON THE SITUATION.
The AAIB will almost certainly put the crash down to an aging aircraft rather than anything else.
I want to thank the people who have made me aware that someone using my name is PM people claiming to be from me.
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The AAIB will almost certainly put the crash down to an ageing aircraft rather than anything else.
Thankfully, no loss of life, hope the pilots recover quickly.
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