New EASA licence holder / Cutting up EASA PPL?
how many UK PPLs flying in the UK carry their license with them
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So what?, laugh all you want me old matey skip, but all this 'oh my god its illegal' crap, is those who spend their lives having meetings and completing studies
If you seriously go around worrying that you forgot to take your license with you flying GA in the UK, then I suggest you take up knitting, if you dont carry it, what do you think will happen?
OK, its exceedingly remotely possible that some jobsworth **** will pull you, and you will spend some time, proving that you actually have a license
Unlikely and hardly life changing
Worry about something actually worth planning for like EFATO, not bollox like this
If you seriously go around worrying that you forgot to take your license with you flying GA in the UK, then I suggest you take up knitting, if you dont carry it, what do you think will happen?
OK, its exceedingly remotely possible that some jobsworth **** will pull you, and you will spend some time, proving that you actually have a license
Unlikely and hardly life changing
Worry about something actually worth planning for like EFATO, not bollox like this
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I was informed tonight by an aviation lawyer who has been following this thread with some amusement that tearing up your papers doesnt invalidate them - thats good enough for me so i guess there are a few on here who need to have a cosy chat with the caa legal department before they refuse to sign off anyones paperwork. 
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If you cut up your driver's license, you legally still haven't lost your driver's license as it is saved on the official computer.
The main problem is that you can't prove you have a valid license when you are stop checked so they will have to phone or write to the licensing authority to confirm it.
The same goes for a pilot's license. But do you wanna take this risk just so that it fits into a wallet?
Obviously people in EASA are bright enough to know how a license should be designed.
The main problem is that you can't prove you have a valid license when you are stop checked so they will have to phone or write to the licensing authority to confirm it.
The same goes for a pilot's license. But do you wanna take this risk just so that it fits into a wallet?
Obviously people in EASA are bright enough to know how a license should be designed.
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OK, its exceedingly remotely possible that some jobsworth **** will pull you, and you will spend some time, proving that you actually have a license
Unlikely and hardly life changing
Unlikely and hardly life changing
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Bose, I see you conveniently ignored and didnt quote the bit where I said "GA in the UK"
as the lawyers friend implied, its a bit of paper it can get lost, its not the only existing proof you have a license, nobody is going to lock up a PPL holder
and throw away the key for misplacing it.
Perhaps its you, needs to get out more me old matey skip along with the other worry warts in this thread
as the lawyers friend implied, its a bit of paper it can get lost, its not the only existing proof you have a license, nobody is going to lock up a PPL holder
and throw away the key for misplacing it.Perhaps its you, needs to get out more me old matey skip along with the other worry warts in this thread
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I see that none of you OCD sufferers has taken on board the fact that your carefully-folded single sheet is likely to wear away at the folds....SHOCK HORROR what are you going to do then? 
@ Billie Bob.....if you re-read my previous post (s) I suggested the use of a colour-laser copy....they're indistinguishable from the original (it the machine is adjusted properly),carried in addition to the sectioned one.......even the densest Jobsworth will then be presented with a dilemma.
Making a copy is unlikely to be an offence.....he's just thrown his weight around because you have "defaced" your license.....you challenge him that this is a copy and "here is the original, intact, folded up in the back pocket"
is he going to be bright enough to risk calling you out on it? Depends what sanctions his boss would impose for his abuse of power....I'm sure you could fasce him down on that one,as there are softer targets for petty officials.
@ Billie Bob.....if you re-read my previous post (s) I suggested the use of a colour-laser copy....they're indistinguishable from the original (it the machine is adjusted properly),carried in addition to the sectioned one.......even the densest Jobsworth will then be presented with a dilemma.
Making a copy is unlikely to be an offence.....he's just thrown his weight around because you have "defaced" your license.....you challenge him that this is a copy and "here is the original, intact, folded up in the back pocket"
is he going to be bright enough to risk calling you out on it? Depends what sanctions his boss would impose for his abuse of power....I'm sure you could fasce him down on that one,as there are softer targets for petty officials.
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As someone else in this thread has done, I've simply made copies of my medical and license, cut those up and put them in the sleeves. The number of sleeves matches perfectly.
That way, the information is easily viewable by anyone who needs to see it and I keep the original medical and license in the front and back covers respectively in case they need to see them. There's nothing wrong with making a copy as long as I also carry the original is there, unless I've missed something?
That way, the information is easily viewable by anyone who needs to see it and I keep the original medical and license in the front and back covers respectively in case they need to see them. There's nothing wrong with making a copy as long as I also carry the original is there, unless I've missed something?
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That way, the information is easily viewable by anyone who needs to see it and I keep the original medical and license in the front and back covers respectively in case they need to see them. There's nothing wrong with making a copy as long as I also carry the original is there, unless I've missed something?
What is the issue of using it as designed? It's a single sheet of paper that unfolds. It's not difficult!!
What I see here is a very English reluctance to change....... Stubborn and pointless characteristic.
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What I see here is a very English reluctance to change....... Stubborn and pointless characteristic.
I would make a point of avoiding coming to you if I knew that is what you would insist on.
Yes it pointless, but it is equally pointless to refuse to sign someones paperwork when it may well be clear and apparent they have a valid licence and cut it up because they weren't aware of a technicality buried in an obscure document which it is doubtful has any legal validity. While we are on that point and discussing barrack room lawyers I am still looking forward to the learned gentlemen actually point us in the direction of the law - and I mean legislation that is enforceable, is on the statute, and clearly states that if you divide up your licence it is invalid. As I said before were it me I would want a letter from the CAA stating the course of action I should follow if an applicant's licence had been divided.
- and please don't take my remarks personally, you are of course entitled to conduct yourself as you wish, as I am to equally strongly disagree with your approach.
Anyway bored with the thread now. Its all good fun windups included, but I guess there is a slightly serious side to the thread in that it reveals the sort of nonsense that is being foisted on us and the more we are becoming a collective herd of sheep blindly jumping into the fire because someone says it is a good idea.
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Thanks Joe - I have read the legislation - as clear as mud.
It is a problem with the weight of change - we have got examiners and instructors who haven't got a clue what they are doing and guidance that is wrong but no one bothering to apply even an ounce of common sense.
Bose - I have a horrible feeling you are wrong yet again
, but you are such a tease you are forgiven. Watch out though, there are signs of it becoming a habit.
It is a problem with the weight of change - we have got examiners and instructors who haven't got a clue what they are doing and guidance that is wrong but no one bothering to apply even an ounce of common sense.
Bose - I have a horrible feeling you are wrong yet again
, but you are such a tease you are forgiven. Watch out though, there are signs of it becoming a habit.
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To be blunt, what I see is some that are prepared to put up with this complete nonsense, and haven't got the gumption to say it is nonsense.
I would make a point of avoiding coming to you if I knew that is what you would insist on.
I would make a point of avoiding coming to you if I knew that is what you would insist on.
I really do not see what the issue is with this. Its a simple single sheet of paper that folds neatly into a single pocket. The medical does the same. The CAA now provide additional ratings pages that go into the spare pages.
The only time you are going to show someone your licence is on request and so whats the problem with unfolding a bit of paper?
These threads really make me laugh, it does not seem like five minutes since people were complaining that the booklet format was stupid and asking what was wrong with the paper card!!
