Unable to complete PPL at current location
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Unable to complete PPL at current location
Dear All,
As i have to move to a new location (currently belgium), im unable to complete my theory and practical exam for PPL(A).
As getting a ppl is important for me and dont want to give up (i have some 36 hours), is there a way i can use these hours accumulated to finish this course may be in lets say US?
Any suggestions would be welcome. Appreciate your inputs.
As i have to move to a new location (currently belgium), im unable to complete my theory and practical exam for PPL(A).
As getting a ppl is important for me and dont want to give up (i have some 36 hours), is there a way i can use these hours accumulated to finish this course may be in lets say US?
Any suggestions would be welcome. Appreciate your inputs.
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In general, if you go from one country to the next, your experience hours are transferable. But you'll have to start all over again on the theory exams.
Make sure the flight school signs your logbook/hours as being correct, or supplies some other type of verification paperwork. Furthermore, you may need to submit a request to the new aviation authority so that they will recognize those hours. The rules on this vary from country to country.
Like MJ said, we'll be able to give you a lot more detailed information if you tell us the names of the countries involved.
Make sure the flight school signs your logbook/hours as being correct, or supplies some other type of verification paperwork. Furthermore, you may need to submit a request to the new aviation authority so that they will recognize those hours. The rules on this vary from country to country.
Like MJ said, we'll be able to give you a lot more detailed information if you tell us the names of the countries involved.
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The next question is where you are going.
The problem is that you need to use a school that has ties with an EASA authority and then go through the complete cycel with that authority.
So if you went off to one of the UK approved schools you would need to get a UK medical the hours will still count but you will need to get a copy of your training file.
Once you have your UK license there is no problem then moving it so that Belgium is you oversight authority.
The problem is that you need to use a school that has ties with an EASA authority and then go through the complete cycel with that authority.
So if you went off to one of the UK approved schools you would need to get a UK medical the hours will still count but you will need to get a copy of your training file.
Once you have your UK license there is no problem then moving it so that Belgium is you oversight authority.
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A few minutes clicking on the CASA website got me this:
Civil Aviation Regulations 1988
I don't see any specific requirement that the "dual" time has to be with an Australian instructor, or that the hours flown has to be on an Australian registered aircraft, or in Australian airspace.
Of course I'm not an Australian Aviation Lawyer, and there may well be a rule somewhere else that limits you to, somehow, training under the Australian ruleset exclusively. But in general this is consistent with what I've found in other countries: As long as you are training for some sort of ICAO PPL, then the hours are essentially transferable towards the experience requirements for another ICAO PPL.
But like I said earlier, make sure all the paperwork is "In Ordnung" and if you really want to make sure the hours are recognized, talk to CASA directly.
5.84 Private pilot (aeroplane) licence: aeronautical experience required
(1) For the purposes of paragraph 5.77 (1) (f), a person’s aeronautical experience must consist of at least 40 hours of flight time as a pilot, being flight time that includes:
(a) at least 5 hours of general flight time as pilot in command; and
(b) at least 5 hours of cross‑country flight time as pilot in command; and
(c) at least 2 hours of instrument flight time.
(2) The 40 hours must be recognised flight time that was flown in a registered aeroplane, recognised aeroplane, helicopter, gyroplane, glider, power‑assisted sailplane or group A ultralight.
(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1) (b), the flight time must include 1 flight of at least 150 miles, that includes at least 1 full stop landing at, and at least 1 take‑off from, each of 2 or more aerodromes:
(a) that are not the aerodrome from which the flight commenced; and
(b) that are not within the student pilot area limit of the aerodrome from which the flight commenced.
(4) For the purposes of subregulation (3), a landing is a full stop landing if, after landing, the aeroplane’s speed is reduced to taxi speed before take‑off begins.
(1) For the purposes of paragraph 5.77 (1) (f), a person’s aeronautical experience must consist of at least 40 hours of flight time as a pilot, being flight time that includes:
(a) at least 5 hours of general flight time as pilot in command; and
(b) at least 5 hours of cross‑country flight time as pilot in command; and
(c) at least 2 hours of instrument flight time.
(2) The 40 hours must be recognised flight time that was flown in a registered aeroplane, recognised aeroplane, helicopter, gyroplane, glider, power‑assisted sailplane or group A ultralight.
(3) For the purposes of paragraph (1) (b), the flight time must include 1 flight of at least 150 miles, that includes at least 1 full stop landing at, and at least 1 take‑off from, each of 2 or more aerodromes:
(a) that are not the aerodrome from which the flight commenced; and
(b) that are not within the student pilot area limit of the aerodrome from which the flight commenced.
(4) For the purposes of subregulation (3), a landing is a full stop landing if, after landing, the aeroplane’s speed is reduced to taxi speed before take‑off begins.
I don't see any specific requirement that the "dual" time has to be with an Australian instructor, or that the hours flown has to be on an Australian registered aircraft, or in Australian airspace.
Of course I'm not an Australian Aviation Lawyer, and there may well be a rule somewhere else that limits you to, somehow, training under the Australian ruleset exclusively. But in general this is consistent with what I've found in other countries: As long as you are training for some sort of ICAO PPL, then the hours are essentially transferable towards the experience requirements for another ICAO PPL.
But like I said earlier, make sure all the paperwork is "In Ordnung" and if you really want to make sure the hours are recognized, talk to CASA directly.
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Thanks MJ and PB for your response.
Yeah, i understand too that if i have an incomplete PPL course, i could go to any EASA authorized training institute and could have hours transferred.
In any case, even if it is not the case, then i would have to do a full PPL in some other country, but still have these hours in total flight time. Am i correct in my understanding?
Best Regards
Yeah, i understand too that if i have an incomplete PPL course, i could go to any EASA authorized training institute and could have hours transferred.
In any case, even if it is not the case, then i would have to do a full PPL in some other country, but still have these hours in total flight time. Am i correct in my understanding?
Best Regards
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Well, they can't take away your hours of total flight time. Unless they invent time travel and retroactively sabotage your aircraft, or something like that.
The only thing CASA can do is say that the hours you've flown so far don't qualify to fulfill the experience requirements for a CASA PPL. In which case you would have to do the 40 hours all over again, but somehow under the oversight of CASA.
The only thing CASA can do is say that the hours you've flown so far don't qualify to fulfill the experience requirements for a CASA PPL. In which case you would have to do the 40 hours all over again, but somehow under the oversight of CASA.
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Hi MJ and BP,
Thank you for helping with your inputs. Makes me feel at ease. I will check with the CAA on the above mentioned terms and hope there wont be much of re-do required in terms of hours.
Best Regards
Thank you for helping with your inputs. Makes me feel at ease. I will check with the CAA on the above mentioned terms and hope there wont be much of re-do required in terms of hours.
Best Regards
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lastdon, be aware that an Australian license is neither an EASA nor FAA license. It is a completely standalone beast. Therefore, if you later on decide to fly in Europe and/or the US you will have to jump through some more hoops to gain eith an EASA or FAA ticket. One alternative could be to finish your PPL in Oz in an EASA school. AFAIK there are a couple, though not many. In any case, while the actual flying of course is the same - the laws of physics apply even when inverted Down Under 
- the airspace and procedures in Oz are significantly different from Europe or the US.
In any case, the people you have to talk to are CASA in Oz. Good luck.
- the airspace and procedures in Oz are significantly different from Europe or the US.In any case, the people you have to talk to are CASA in Oz. Good luck.
