ATZ indefinitely suspended
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ATZ indefinitely suspended
Can Ppruners shed some light on the spate of ATZ indefinite suspensions?
Sibson EGSP just came to my attention via NOTAMs
I presume there's an economic driver in here somewhere.
Will not having an ATZ marked on the charts make an airfield less safe as acft overfly and active field?
Sibson EGSP just came to my attention via NOTAMs
I presume there's an economic driver in here somewhere.
Will not having an ATZ marked on the charts make an airfield less safe as acft overfly and active field?
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Sibson, is a little more than just cash. A licence needs a named responsible person. If that person sells the business then a new manager must be appointed. I understand they may have overlooked this!
You do need to be aware that despite being without an ATZ it is still an active DZ.
You do need to be aware that despite being without an ATZ it is still an active DZ.
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Depends on where you learn English....
The verb license or grant license means to give permission. The noun license (American English) or licence (British English, Indian English, Canadian English)
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'Chuffer' Dandridge Sibson have recently given up their Aerodrome License. For some strange reason, without FIS or ATC, an ATZ is not possible.
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For some strange reason, without FIS or ATC, an ATZ is not possible.
Check out EGNF, EGBT, EGBD, EGSL, EGBM, EGCL off the top of my head, many others in the AIP too ......
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To have an ATZ, the airfield must be one of the following:
1) A licensed airfield with a means of 2 -way communication with aircraft.
2) An airfield with a licensed FISO unit.
3) An airfield with a licensed ATC unit.
Hence unlicensed with AGCS = no ATZ.
1) A licensed airfield with a means of 2 -way communication with aircraft.
2) An airfield with a licensed FISO unit.
3) An airfield with a licensed ATC unit.
Hence unlicensed with AGCS = no ATZ.
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No ATZ with Drop Zone
As the half mil etc will still show the Sibson drop zone, I hope pilots will still see and plan accordingly! Without a drop zone marked, Sibson is reduced to a 'small circle' on the chart!
The one thing I have taken from this is not to make assumptions about the volume of traffic to expect o/h an airfield without a charted ATZ.
The one thing I have taken from this is not to make assumptions about the volume of traffic to expect o/h an airfield without a charted ATZ.
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From CAP 724 Airspace Charter..
From CAA 'Establishment and Dimensions of Aerodrome Traffic Zones (ATZ)' July 2010
The qualifying criteria and the provisions for the establishment of ATZ are contained in Rule 45 of the Rules of the Air Regulations 2007.
No they're not - I've had a look at this SI and Rule 45 is all about what the pilot will do in an ATZ From CAA 'Establishment and Dimensions of Aerodrome Traffic Zones (ATZ)' July 2010
3.4 The CAA will consider the establishment of an ATZ at a licensed aerodrome at which an air traffic control service, flight information service or air/ground communication service is provided. Hours of ATZ activation will be limited to the notified hours of watch of the air traffic service unit or of the air/ground communication service.
3.5 The CAA will consider the establishment of an ATZ at an unlicensed aerodrome at which an air traffic control service or flight information service is provided. Hours of ATZ activation will be limited to the notified hours of watch of the air traffic service unit.
3.6 The CAA will consider the temporary establishment of an ATZ at any aerodrome in general accordance with the policy described herein, except that in the interest of expediency, the related process will not routinely involve industry-wide consultation. The operator / licensee of an aerodrome at which an ATZ is established will be required to ensure that the appropriate air traffic control service, flight information service or air/ground communication service is provided throughout the promulgated periods of ATZ activation.
So that's cleared that up then ..
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"Chuffer Dandridge" & Chevvron
Not now the case, Lee-on-Solent, who are unlicensed and providing A/G have recently securred an ATZ. The reason for DAP awarding it was the proximity of the Solent CTA/Southampton CTR and aircraft overflying, not speaking to A/G, while trying to avoid CAS. Lee has frequent gliding and some GA.
If Lee can justify an ATZ, if Sibson still has regular para activity, possibly able to secure an ATZ with a suitably robust safety case.
Not now the case, Lee-on-Solent, who are unlicensed and providing A/G have recently securred an ATZ. The reason for DAP awarding it was the proximity of the Solent CTA/Southampton CTR and aircraft overflying, not speaking to A/G, while trying to avoid CAS. Lee has frequent gliding and some GA.
If Lee can justify an ATZ, if Sibson still has regular para activity, possibly able to secure an ATZ with a suitably robust safety case.
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The noun is licenCe!
Back to the subject. I should have said that without an Aerodrome LICENCE, if you've only got A/G, then you cant have ATZ. North Denes, having A/G, is an exception for some reason but I believe it's historical.
TCAS Fan,
Not now the case, Lee-on-Solent, who are unlicensed and providing A/G have recently securred an ATZ
Everything spelt ok MetOffice?
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TCAS FAN, the Lee-on-Solent decision letter from the CAA in December mentions:
"In terms of timescales, you may recall that the request for an ATZ was co-incidental with an aerodrome licensing application. Indeed, as the aerodrome is served by an air/ground facility, an ATZ could not be introduced prior to the aerodrome achieving licensed status. Therefore the ATZ will be established as and when the Aerodrome becomes licensed."
I'm guessing that, as the ATZ appears to be active from 28 January, Lee-on-Solent is now licensed
'Chuffer' Dandridge, it looks like North Denes is ATC, as it has a tower frequency.
"In terms of timescales, you may recall that the request for an ATZ was co-incidental with an aerodrome licensing application. Indeed, as the aerodrome is served by an air/ground facility, an ATZ could not be introduced prior to the aerodrome achieving licensed status. Therefore the ATZ will be established as and when the Aerodrome becomes licensed."
I'm guessing that, as the ATZ appears to be active from 28 January, Lee-on-Solent is now licensed
'Chuffer' Dandridge, it looks like North Denes is ATC, as it has a tower frequency.
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