Partial engine failure in C182 and emergency landing video.
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The voice "OK going to set this down" doesn't match the breathing. Is the breathing acting what he thinks someone would sound like in an emergency, while he lands a no-problem aircraft in a pre-checked spot?
There was a previous "engine failure" video where NTSB had no record of reg, nor was there any incident record on that date at the alleged place. It was possibly joke idea from an Alaska camping flight with the (very calm) kids.
The voice "OK going to set this down" doesn't match the breathing. Is the breathing acting what he thinks someone would sound like in an emergency, while he lands a no-problem aircraft in a pre-checked spot?
There was a previous "engine failure" video where NTSB had no record of reg, nor was there any incident record on that date at the alleged place. It was possibly joke idea from an Alaska camping flight with the (very calm) kids.
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This is a really good instructional video for us non pilots
He had plenty of opportunity to land on airport property, intersecting runway, grass or taxiway.
That field being where it was, pure coincidence.
This is why you do an 'abort-plan' so you don't have to improvise your way through it.
N735EU is (or was) a 1977 C182Q with a O-470
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In the chap's defense - have you read his own comments on YouTube? He says he would have been too high/fast for the taxiway. Agree (as in my previous post), that luck was with him that day and put the field right where he needed it.
Hindsight is always 20/20 and I think viewing videos like that and then dissecting the pilot's actions completely overlooks the 'WTF is going on!' factor. Once you're flying, you can't hit the 'rewind' button and calmly analyze your actions.
Hindsight is always 20/20 and I think viewing videos like that and then dissecting the pilot's actions completely overlooks the 'WTF is going on!' factor. Once you're flying, you can't hit the 'rewind' button and calmly analyze your actions.
He says he would have been too high/fast for the taxiway
Power idle, full flap and he could have landed on airport property.
Especially in a pig such as an 182.
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What got me is the running commentary as if he was making some demonstration documentary.
Then heavy breathing as soon as the wheels left the runway.
Also lack of surprise and the usual looking around the cockpit for a likely cause.
I too felt something did not add up!
You almost felt he panicked on takeoff and put it down straight ahead quickly
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Then heavy breathing as soon as the wheels left the runway.
Also lack of surprise and the usual looking around the cockpit for a likely cause.
I too felt something did not add up!
You almost felt he panicked on takeoff and put it down straight ahead quickly
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I didn't hear a radio call at all once he committed to landing.
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One thing though. I didn't hear a radio call at all once he committed to landing.
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Only "I have got to put it down"!! amongst the panic overbreathing" Really can not tell whether this was staged or someone who had a panic attack after takeoff.
The breathing does sound very weird but I suppose could be explained by people reacting to stressful situations in strange and varied ways!
Investigation will show what happened to cause the incident and pilots can be criticised for all sorts of things after the event but the above isn't one of them in the situation this guy faced
I was extremely sad to see the accident report for the tomahawk EFATO accident about a year and ahalf ago. The engine failed at 300 feet and the pilot did not lower the nose. The aircraft stalled and crashed with fatal results to the occupants. BUT in the moments from engine failure to stall/crash/die the pilot transmitted a distress message
. If only he had concentrated on quickly establishing the glide attitude and managing the flightpath to a wings level, level attitude touchdown, instead of talking on the radio........I think that unfortunately flight schools have to answer for this as a too often the radio call is given a level of importance that it simply doesn't deserve when training for the engine failure scenario.
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Partial engine failure in C182 and emergency landing video.
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But it did seem weird.... I agree with pace looks a bit like a staged video and from the video it did look like he may have had time to settle it back down.....
But if its real we don't always react perfectly in a situation as tense as that
Have a look at you tube for 26 spin tipsy nipper..... Now theres a situation you don't really want to put yourself in!
But it did seem weird.... I agree with pace looks a bit like a staged video and from the video it did look like he may have had time to settle it back down.....
But if its real we don't always react perfectly in a situation as tense as that
Have a look at you tube for 26 spin tipsy nipper..... Now theres a situation you don't really want to put yourself in!
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No heavy panic breathing in this and this one much more scary? and that is the point having had an off field landing which in my case involved taking out a hedge and slicing through the wing with a cut off tree stump embedded in the hedge 27 years ago normally in such situations you are so wrapped up in dealing with the situation you stay dead calm.
Its after the event that nerves kick in.
I dont buy the 182 incident.
As BPF sated in a previous thread with a partial engine failure you still have power and the first thing is to determine the fly level airspeed.
This guy did none of that with a multiple runway airfield right behind him, neither did he appear to even run through why his engine was apparently running rough just a panic get it on the ground.
So did he get away with it yes so in that way a successful outcome was it well handled NO!
Had he prewalked that field or even landed there before who know?
Was this staged? who knows.
Did he have a panic attack with a serviceable aircraft and just put it down ? who knows.
But something does not ring right with the 182 incident.
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He did appear nervous as he took the runway with that vague statement about double checking everything and the head movements and other expressions, but that means he doesn't fly often to have that confident flow. So that is why at his level of flying he did just the right thing. Land straight ahead in open field, pushed past the fear factor, made a decision, stuck to it, flew the airplane perfectly with full stall at landing. Remember loss of control= loss of life. He walked away, with minor damage that insurance could fix. What’s wrong with that? Other options he had likewise could have resulted in minor damage. He could have landed on the alternate runway; he only had a second to make that call. Also to circle back was an option and probably what we might have seen if there were houses all around. (the engine was still running). But he had a big open field and a safe option. I have had fuel vaporization at 200 feet and the engine acted vary similar to his. (his could have been water) But I elected a very quick turn back and then to circle the airport as the engine still produced some power to maintain airspeed. My only recommendation to us aviators to learn from this would be to verbalize an engine failure contingency before t/o (silently if passenger present). Something like: “If complete engine failure or fire before 300 feet land (name direction of place), turn off fuel/battery, otherwise coordinated 90/270, declare emergency and land”. An emergency will never happen like you think it might, but at least it starts the mind moving in the right direction. As to those that think this was staged, your so naïve. (CFII/MEI/ATP/test pilot for 25 plus years),
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Staged? really ... that's an expensive and dangerous way to get a few hits on You Tube! this has to be genuine He did the right thing, he was quite high when he crossed the ALT runway and it would have taken a firm mental decision to commit to that. I think at that time he was still trying to figure out what was going on (as would I) by the time i think he says "i gotta put this down" he was well past the runway, had a clear field and no reason to turn back. I think he did all right. Me i have a golf course and a beach ahead of me when i'm normally taking off... well prepared mentally for where i will go.
