The lesser of two evils (A hypothetical situation)
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From: Niort
IIRC the Hercules incident was a low flying mishap, the other mil ones were IMC. The majority of the wrecks that I have 'spotted' from the air (both military and civil) were in IMC - so yes the war starts today - but let's wait until we can see where we are going!
The civil crashes - 2 from down s'auf and one a Norwegian (who really should have known better!) in my area, all occured during IMC conditions.
FWIW two Wednesay's ago I got a brief period of 1100 fpm up from level flight. My gliding pals were getting to 16,000 ft plus from a 2,000 aerotow....
As I said work out where the rotor and turbulence will be.
The civil crashes - 2 from down s'auf and one a Norwegian (who really should have known better!) in my area, all occured during IMC conditions.
FWIW two Wednesay's ago I got a brief period of 1100 fpm up from level flight. My gliding pals were getting to 16,000 ft plus from a 2,000 aerotow....
As I said work out where the rotor and turbulence will be.
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From: 18nm NE grice 28ft up
I suppose the majority ended the flight in IMC conditions but if IFR had been planned from the start the mountains would have been well below.
Most of the accidents seem to occur when the pilot blurs the line between IFR and VFR. Fast jets in particular do this because it is an essential part of their training and they should have the equipment to make it possible.
I seem to remember the accident with the F 15s was due to a combination of an iffy database (must have been Jepp
) and a misunderstanding of controllers responsibilities.
D.O.
Most of the accidents seem to occur when the pilot blurs the line between IFR and VFR. Fast jets in particular do this because it is an essential part of their training and they should have the equipment to make it possible.
I seem to remember the accident with the F 15s was due to a combination of an iffy database (must have been Jepp
) and a misunderstanding of controllers responsibilities.D.O.
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From: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
The C130 was more than 5 years ago. I think it was VMC, a practice special forces equipment drop for a similar position in Bosnia, during the war there. My memory is that, (very unusually), the accident report did not blame the pilots, but the performance data they were using.
A local pilot C152 accident on Liathach could have been turbulence/downdraft - they were far too high to be scud running. He was flying a hired aircraft, with much a poorer climb rate compared to his own aircraft, which was in maintenance.
The Mail plane southbound at night from Inverness hit the hill just south of the airfield (Carn nan Tri Tigharnan?), over 20 years ago. It took a days to find it.
A local pilot C152 accident on Liathach could have been turbulence/downdraft - they were far too high to be scud running. He was flying a hired aircraft, with much a poorer climb rate compared to his own aircraft, which was in maintenance.
The Mail plane southbound at night from Inverness hit the hill just south of the airfield (Carn nan Tri Tigharnan?), over 20 years ago. It took a days to find it.
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I remember a Shackleton that, shortly before the type was due to be retired, hit a hill on a Scottish island just off the west coast with all crew killed (can't remember which island).
The irony was that the day had been glorious. On the BBC evening weather they showed a satellite picture. The entire UK was almost totally cloud free - except for that Scottish island.
The irony was that the day had been glorious. On the BBC evening weather they showed a satellite picture. The entire UK was almost totally cloud free - except for that Scottish island.
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