Come on chaps, the thread was deleted because the lady in question is no longer flying. Would that be the case if the assertions were untrue? Or do you think that this statement is fictitious too?

I suspect it was also deleted because there was never going to be agreement within the pprune community as to how this had been achieved and the thread was therefore no longer productive - just acrimonious.

With respect to Englishal's comment - which may have been tongue in cheek- I can only think that he suspects GEP has designs on taking over Indy's trial lessons

Sorry, misunderstanding, my fingers type too quick! I should have said "I don't believe it to be the case in this instance" but what I meant that in general on a public forum like this, people can manipulate things to their own advantage. I am sure GEP had honourable intentions with his post but the gerneral rule is you "shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet".

GEP, without dragging it all up again, please explain how you KNOW that the pilot concerned was unfit.

I doubt that any of us care how you came to your conclusions, but was there ever any EVIDENCE?

I'm wondering if that's why the CAA were reluctant / unable to act.

If I tell you that I have failed my medical, will that make me a danger to others? I can accept that if I have indeed failed, then I should not be flying, but if my GP is happy, and I'm happy, then wtf has it to do with you?

By all means you are entitled to tell the CAA that you have heard something and seen something that is not a good fit with what you have heard. You should not, however, spread as fact, what you have been told.

How many people (falsely) claim to have lost their medical as a reason for selling an aircraft or share? I suspect that's like selling a bad car on the pretence of moving abroad so you can't take it with you, hence the need for a quick sale.

GEP has said several times that the pilot/instructor told him that she had a disqualifying medical condition.

What I don't understand about this thread is why some people seem to believe that she has chosen to tell GEP something that is untrue.

I believe that Indy's medical condition is indeed confidential - up until the point where she tells others about it and particularly if she tells them that she is disregarding the consequences of it. After that, I can't see why anybody objects when her plan of action is made public. You do not sidle up to somebody who has a reputation for upholding the rules and mention your disregard for them without expecting a reaction.

If GEP has deliberately been told a falsehood in order to precipitate a response so that he can be "shot at", then there is more to this thread than the subject under discussion.

Couldn't agree more.

I vaguely recall a thread in some "prof pilots" forum here on proon, a while ago. I upset a lot of people there (not like me, eh ) by saying that an awful lot of airline pilots got their initial medicals in, ahem, places like Hungary

Why not expose all of those, and publish their rosters while at it so you can avoid those flights for your family holidays
No; a conversation is confidential, unless the speaker specifically authorises the other person(s) to post it on proon

If the mods here decide to set up a forum called "Expose of pilots faking their privileges etc" then as I said one could have a lot of fun there. There would also be a lot of litigation...

He did indeed.He had electrical rhythmn reversion therapy for SVT. And the only reason we know that is because his medical condition was reported publically. I doubt he explicitly gave permission for that either. Both the condition and the treatment were reported publically and no fuss was made about that as I recall. Its still up on the bbc website let alone google cache.

Saying someone has had heart surgery is NOT the same as revealing someone's medical records or publishing something said to a medical professional in confidence. It may have been indelicate to put the fact up here and it is undeniably linked to wider battles but the original alleged behaviour was fairly serious too, especially coming from an examiner.

Seems like the matter is indeed closed and the offical policers of such things are dealing with it. Can only be good...

I had Angioplasty and three stents just before Christmas.

A couple of weeks later I was invited for an aeros flight in an Extra.

Called the cardio - OK for +4G/-3G?

You'll be fine.

As a result of the original thread, I asked the cardio whether the same would be true if I was the pilot?

Not a chance. We don't care if you pass out as a passenger, but do care about who you would kill as a pilot.

An unequivocal no.

I should have asked if there was any hope of getting cleared after demonstrating a degree of fitness, because writing this has just shattered a dream of wnnng the Lottery and flying my own Mosquito.

From GoldenEaglePilot:

So, is that really all you have? You hounded another Pilot based on that?

I ask again, GEP, how did you KNOW that you had FACTS? G-INFO could be behind with details of the ARC renewal, and the Pilot concerned may have lied to you for any number of reasons.

It's funny but posters such as airpolice seem hell bent on perpetuating the thread. Perhaps if you had read the original thread you might have more insight.

Also it has been posted that considerably more was known than was posted, including independent witness statements. It's sufficent to say that the authorities have all the information and I see no need to share the considerable information with Airpolice, no matter how much he does not like that fact.

You did get one thing right - she made the claims herself with respect to the Angioplasty, she was very specific. If she had lied then that was her choice to lie, if she had sinister motives for lies then again that was her choice. Fortunatly the statements were witnessed - which was her mistake. Had they not been then I would have been extremely reluctant to have posted for obvious reasons. With regards the ARC, the aircraft still sits outside the maintenance hangar awaiting work.

Should reduce pprune traffic a bit then - only specifically authorised rumours

I'm sure Tony Blair gave express permission for the medical records to be released and no doubt used the spin to his advantage somewhere along the line.

What I am worried about is the "yea but no but bloke in the pub told me, this geezer right, he had an XYZ done on his heart and he flies the space shuttle...." gets translated to "The medical records were made public"...

You can always come and fly mine if I win the lottery, but if not, have a look at the FAA who have a pragmatic view on conditions like these. You can even get back your class 1 FAA (after various tests) and fly a United B777 from LHR to LAX as Captain after all sorts of heart surgery, including conditions mentioned in these threads.

Shock horror, you could get back your JAA Class 1 and fly your BA B777 on the same route as well. Bit more research required before activating the CAA auto diss I think

I dont have a clue what the thread was about and have googled it as mentioned but it still blocked so im still in the dark... Must have been juicy or it would not have had such a lot of interest even after its been deleted

I suspect the dealing with heart type things with multi crew only restrictions is pretty common between both systems.

I also suspect the dealing with Single pilot aircraft is also similar as well.

We had an FO that had been off for months recovering from something completely different, and had just been knocked back again for 3 months. I suggested "have you suggested a multicrew only restriction 6 month medical?" err no, two days later they were flying again. Unrestricted 6 months later and the full year.

Quite rightly the single crew standards are different to the multicrew.

Pilot Lyons

I love your living description "in a hole somewhere" ; )think my in a suitcase needs to be changed : )
Why do threads get deleted ? The official line will be that they have run their course or served their purpose! I am more sceptical than that and think its more likely that they are not going the way intended and doing damage in the wrong quarters but what do I know?

Going to change my name from Pace to Spouter to please GEP : )
GEP ; ) GEP all said in a light way looking forward to that drink!

Pace

The difference there is that Tony Blair was a celebrity, and was in charge of the country. His heart condition was fairly minor, and if they hadn't gone public then a lot of people (stock-markets etc) may have assumed that the problem was something much more serious.

On the other hand, just prior to the Iraq war I thought he looked absolutely on the edge, to the extent that he should have been discussing his state of mind with doctors. Even when you're prime minister, there are things that you choose to share... or not.

Remember too that Sir Winston Churchill suffered with severe depression! The Black Dog ! Would not have been allowed to have commanded an airline but did a good job with a country ; )

Spouter ; )

Good morning Spouter,

How can you find the time to post on here when you are sitting on the beach in the south of France presumably surrounded by pretty girls with almost no clothes on?

Allegedly Churchill had bipolar disorder, and there's a theory out there that most heads of state become psychiatrically unwell before the end of their terms.

Mildly depressed people are possibly better at judging risk than non-depressed people. The question is whether someone in power gets ill to the stage where their cognition is deranged.

Anyway, Churchill did us proud, I agree.

GEP, would that be Pace with almost no clothes on or the girls

I do hope they are girls down under and I'm not referring to Australia!