RT etiquette - Another Stupid Question
I always defined stupidity as making incredibly bad decisions that one ends up losing big time from.
Please learn to speak English and not end a sentence with a preposition!
my friend your barking up the wrong
"My gad", I hear you say - "this is like aawsome - I mean I'm like.........."
Ladies,
To quote a former and very much unlamented head of PLD: "Kick the player, not the ball". Any more personal attacks and I will start deleting posts and thread banning one or two people who seem incapable of civilised discussion in the Queen's (or President's!) English.
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To quote a former and very much unlamented head of PLD: "Kick the player, not the ball". Any more personal attacks and I will start deleting posts and thread banning one or two people who seem incapable of civilised discussion in the Queen's (or President's!) English.
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I love it when perfectly civilised and affable adults fall out on an internet forum. 
Keep it going. Ghengis, cut them some slack, it's more entertaining than Dancing On X Factor Ice Dancing Got Talent.
Keep it going. Ghengis, cut them some slack, it's more entertaining than Dancing On X Factor Ice Dancing Got Talent.
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Awllwight Lightening my old mucker fram dawn souff, You too are barking up the wrong tree, I’ll bet ya a pony I’m as British as you are, or very probably more. Yes I am an American citizen who immigrated to California as a teenager, but born and bred (and educated) right here in the UK. A descendant of 7 generations of highland farmers that can trace our ancestry in Inverness-shire back to the 1600’s. And also very proudly named after one of them, a very brave young aviator called Iain Stewart who was killed at 23 over Holland performing his duties for a group you may ( or may not depending your lineage) have heard off, they call themselves the RAF.
Of course, like our friend Jan says, nationality is irrelevant. But I do like to set a presumptuous bar steward straight when I get the opportunity.
I hope that my grammar and punctuation are not to offensive to you, Unfortunately I had to finish my education at 15 but did manage to go on and found and build a multinational hi tech company which I recently sold on Wall Street( Go USA!!!!) and retired at the age of 45 back to my first love the highlands of Scotland and flying my Maule every day the sun is out.
Life is good my friend, safe flying
Ghengis, Sorry, I could not let Lightning’s comment go unanswered. This is the end of this discussion for me, kicked off or not.
Of course, like our friend Jan says, nationality is irrelevant. But I do like to set a presumptuous bar steward straight when I get the opportunity.
I hope that my grammar and punctuation are not to offensive to you, Unfortunately I had to finish my education at 15 but did manage to go on and found and build a multinational hi tech company which I recently sold on Wall Street( Go USA!!!!) and retired at the age of 45 back to my first love the highlands of Scotland and flying my Maule every day the sun is out.
Life is good my friend, safe flying
Ghengis, Sorry, I could not let Lightning’s comment go unanswered. This is the end of this discussion for me, kicked off or not.
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hope that my grammar and punctuation are not to offensive to you,
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Hey, Piperboy 84, don't go way mad! I was just planning to jump aboard this entertaining thread with my own dearly won pearls of wisdom.....
First of all, you stuffy Brits, (I'm allowed to say that about a Nationality, not an Individual, OK) lets have a little more respect for our friend who was born in Scotland, went over to the US and prospered, and now comes home to the land of heavy rain and midges to enjoy our favorite sport.....
Both Silvaire 1 and Piperboy84 are viewing the topic of addressing various forms of ATC from the American viewpoint. Anyone who can, like Piperboy, fly from Sanda Monica and buzz round under San Francisco and Los Angeles Class B Airspace deserves respect.
I speak from the point of view of a dual national, holding both passports; managed this by marrying a true English Gentleman, now alas passed away.
I learned to fly at High Wycombe and may be considered a British pilot with a funny accent; added on various qualifications in the USA such as an IR (which all you Instrument Rated Brits will sniff at, but it still works in anything with a G reg, so there), and a Seaplane Rating, Commercial Instructor in Gliders courtesy of the GADO being impressed by my BGA rating...etc etc. And flew gliders in the Soviet Union.
So Piperboy and Silvaire1, though no longer holding a medical, I still offer free advice.
In the UK, joining any circuit is a can of worms. Every little airport over here has its own setup, and I cannot understand the rational for an overhead join vs the simple join downwind, complicating unnecessarily what should be a straightforward procedure.
In the UK, there are at least 3 kinds of communication with your intended destination. Simple and straightforward, Air Traffic Control who tell you what to do and when to do it, just like in the USA. Then you have various stages of expertise managing the inbetween sort of radio, eg. Wellesbourne, Enstone, where advice may be offered but you don't have to take it.
And then there is plain old Ground radio, like Shenington Ground, where they can advise you of hazards, but are forbidden from using the word "cleared to....." and half the time nobody is managing the frequency anyhow.
Whereas in the wide open spaces of the US, at unmanned and uncontrolled little airports, the pilots talk to each other on Unicom, saying for example, Red Lion Traffic, this is Cessna 43885, joining downwind for 25, and anyone else listening out contributes useful information about their own position and intentions.
Scotland is all cluttered up with lochs and mountains, but is not terribly crowded. They have closed one or two of the northernmost RAF bases up there; as the current government is drawing down the funds available for aircraft, and probably for training as well,consequently probably fewer pairs of Eurofighters these days surprise the innnocent civilian sightseers visiting the Cairngorns. Main problem with flying in Scotland is probably weather.
We had to sit around for days trying out different sorts of single malts before the promise of a good clear day with suitable lenticulars could reward our journey north....
Why not, Piperboy, check in at Deeside Gliding Club and tell them Mary sent you.....they might still remember the time we had them round to our bothy for a dinner of salmon and venison.....those were the days!
First of all, you stuffy Brits, (I'm allowed to say that about a Nationality, not an Individual, OK) lets have a little more respect for our friend who was born in Scotland, went over to the US and prospered, and now comes home to the land of heavy rain and midges to enjoy our favorite sport.....
Both Silvaire 1 and Piperboy84 are viewing the topic of addressing various forms of ATC from the American viewpoint. Anyone who can, like Piperboy, fly from Sanda Monica and buzz round under San Francisco and Los Angeles Class B Airspace deserves respect.
I speak from the point of view of a dual national, holding both passports; managed this by marrying a true English Gentleman, now alas passed away.
I learned to fly at High Wycombe and may be considered a British pilot with a funny accent; added on various qualifications in the USA such as an IR (which all you Instrument Rated Brits will sniff at, but it still works in anything with a G reg, so there), and a Seaplane Rating, Commercial Instructor in Gliders courtesy of the GADO being impressed by my BGA rating...etc etc. And flew gliders in the Soviet Union.
So Piperboy and Silvaire1, though no longer holding a medical, I still offer free advice.
In the UK, joining any circuit is a can of worms. Every little airport over here has its own setup, and I cannot understand the rational for an overhead join vs the simple join downwind, complicating unnecessarily what should be a straightforward procedure.
In the UK, there are at least 3 kinds of communication with your intended destination. Simple and straightforward, Air Traffic Control who tell you what to do and when to do it, just like in the USA. Then you have various stages of expertise managing the inbetween sort of radio, eg. Wellesbourne, Enstone, where advice may be offered but you don't have to take it.
And then there is plain old Ground radio, like Shenington Ground, where they can advise you of hazards, but are forbidden from using the word "cleared to....." and half the time nobody is managing the frequency anyhow.
Whereas in the wide open spaces of the US, at unmanned and uncontrolled little airports, the pilots talk to each other on Unicom, saying for example, Red Lion Traffic, this is Cessna 43885, joining downwind for 25, and anyone else listening out contributes useful information about their own position and intentions.
Scotland is all cluttered up with lochs and mountains, but is not terribly crowded. They have closed one or two of the northernmost RAF bases up there; as the current government is drawing down the funds available for aircraft, and probably for training as well,consequently probably fewer pairs of Eurofighters these days surprise the innnocent civilian sightseers visiting the Cairngorns. Main problem with flying in Scotland is probably weather.
We had to sit around for days trying out different sorts of single malts before the promise of a good clear day with suitable lenticulars could reward our journey north....
Why not, Piperboy, check in at Deeside Gliding Club and tell them Mary sent you.....they might still remember the time we had them round to our bothy for a dinner of salmon and venison.....those were the days!
Another +1 for piperboy.
The propensity for people on this forum to make gratuitous and patronisingly offensive remarks in response to perfectly innocent and well-meaning posts never ceases to amaze me. Sadly I think that is a very real difference between the US and Northern Europe, and not at all in favour of the Europeans.
By the way the stuff about prepositions at the end of a sentence is complete nonsense. It's a totally arbitrary invention by one person in the 19th century. There is absolutely no historical reason for it to be true. Of course - and sadly - there will always be people who like nothing better than to gratuitously find fault on the basis of some "rule" that they think they know. (Oops, there goes another one).
The propensity for people on this forum to make gratuitous and patronisingly offensive remarks in response to perfectly innocent and well-meaning posts never ceases to amaze me. Sadly I think that is a very real difference between the US and Northern Europe, and not at all in favour of the Europeans.
By the way the stuff about prepositions at the end of a sentence is complete nonsense. It's a totally arbitrary invention by one person in the 19th century. There is absolutely no historical reason for it to be true. Of course - and sadly - there will always be people who like nothing better than to gratuitously find fault on the basis of some "rule" that they think they know. (Oops, there goes another one).
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By the way the stuff about prepositions at the end of a sentence is complete nonsense. It's a totally arbitrary invention by one person in the 19th century. There is absolutely no historical reason for it to be true. Of course - and sadly - there will always be people who like nothing better than to gratuitously find fault on the basis of some "rule" that they think they know. (Oops, there goes another one).
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Initial call for departure by all means say "N**** Understand runway 27 right hand QNH 1020 taxiing C"
But I hate to think what response I'd get from any of my local airfields if I used gash non-standard phraseology like that. Or most North American airports I've flown from for that matter. It would certainly do little for my continued existence as an instructor.
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