IMC RATING

[Gertrude the Wombat]

so you hadn't bugged the wind direction on the DI in advance when the instructor wasn't looking.

As if.....

Well, I think I got away with it on my last flight ... I turned a corner, she asked me whether I thought I was downwind or base leg, I told her, she asked me which direction I was going to land in, I replied "into wind as per the DI bug". She didn't say anything else. I'm sure that conversation wouldn't have been necessary if she'd spotted me setting it

[thing]

You see, joking apart, there's the absurdity of it. We both laugh at not letting the examiner spot you setting the wind on the heading bug but in reality you would. I know I would. I always when flying normally have the wind set on one of the OBS's, which is virtually the same thing.

[beatnik]

Thanks Thing - you're absolutely correct, these are valuable skills we are learning - and when the proverbial hits the fan, one will do whatever is necessary to recover the situation. I'm sure if you request an NDB/DME approach on airfield, the controller is not going to start quizzing you on whether you have an IR or IMCr

[BEagle]

DEFINITIONS

And what is a "UK non-JAR-FCL/non-Part-FCL" licence?

A licence issued before the days of JAR-FCL when the CAA stopped issuing UK PPLs. However, the CAA intend to reintroduce the UK PPL (for holders of JAR-FCL or part-FCL licences) as a supplementary licence within which any non-EASA ratings may be included.

However, there may well be yet further changes to come. Increasing concern has been expressed about the Byzantine complexity of the €urocratic nonsense coming our way soon - for example the fact that there will be some 6 different types of private licences for fixed wing aircraft alone....

pre-JAR-FCL lifetime UK PPL
JAR-FCL 5-year PPL
lifetime NPPL
lifetime part-FCL PPL
lifetime part-FCL LAPL
post-JAR-FCL lifetime supplementary UK PPL

Thanks, Europe.......

[Genghis the Engineer]

... UK BCPL exercising PPL privileges
UK CPL, ditto
JAR CPL, ditto
UK ATPL, ditto
JAR ARPL, ditto
ICAO licence, exercising UK PPL privileges


So that's another 6 !

Each with subtly different medical and recency requirements, each permitting you to fly the same aeroplane in the same airspace.

G

[fwjc]

I wonder if the aeroplane knows any different?
Or, for that matter, if the aeroplane knows if it's EASA, Annexe 2 or otherwise?

Perhaps Bernoulli and his mate Galileo might be influenced by all that paperwork, give up and go home...

[BEagle]

"Tell you what, Orville, let's just stick to fixing bikes"
"You betcha, Wilbur!"

[S-Works]

pre-JAR-FCL lifetime UK PPL
JAR-FCL 5-year PPL
lifetime NPPL
lifetime part-FCL PPL
lifetime part-FCL LAPL
post-JAR-FCL lifetime supplementary UK PPL

Thanks, Europe.......

All in the name of standardisation........

I was a guest speaker at an International aviation conferance last year and my presentation was on the changing face of European licencing (very dry I know) and the audiance of people from around the world were gobsmacked at the state we have gotten ourselves into!!

[Genghis the Engineer]

Galileo might be influenced by all that paperwork, give up and go home...

Actually he did - Galileo got so hacked off and threatened by the church's views on his (entirely accurate) deduction that the earth went around the sun, and the moon around the earth, that he retired to a small island and did materials research, which seemed pretty safe and uncontentious.

Much of the principles we still use for aircraft structural analysis were determined by Galileo, because it got him away from all the paperwork and politics that his astronomy was causing.

G

[fwjc]

Genghis - ridiculous bureaucracy is not a new invention, neither is an inability to listen to a different perspective... I don't know whether EASA are aware of these traits.

[BEagle]

Galileo?

I see a little silhouetto of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Thunderbolt and lightning - very very frightening me
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo, Gallileo,
Gallileo Figaro - magnifico

E pur si muove!

[liam548]

Originally Posted by late-joiner

I am doing an IMC course at the moment. Is there any reason to rush to finish by the end of March 2012 rather than 30th June 2012. I am just concious that paragraph 7 talks about an [arbitary] date and I am not clear whether that could in principle be earlier than 30 Jun 2012?

passed my IMC today..

finally. Best get it sent off quick...

Whopppeee..

[thing]

Well done that man! I think I was more relieved to get that out of the way than the PPL skills test.

[BillieBob]

Whilst I understand the frustration that generates the hyperbole, the fact is that, once the dust settles, we will actually have:

For EASA aircraft - LAPL, PPL, CPL, ATPL, all valid indefinitely

For non-EASA aircraft - NPPL, PPL, CPL, ATPL, all valid indefinitely

Whist the record shows that I am not exactly a supporter of EASA or the CAA, I somehow don't think the world is going to end as a result of having parallel licensing systems for EASA and non-EASA aircraft.

As for the recurring discussion about surreptitiously bugging the wind - WTF? As an examiner, I don't care what the bug(s) are set to provided that they are in accordance with any requirement of the Operations Manual and that the aircraft is flown within the declared limits. In the case of a forced landing, I cannot recall any substantive requirements regarding the heading bug and any examiner who sought to base a fail on the decision of the candidate as to where to set the heading bug would richly deserve the Reg 6 appeal that should immediately follow as well as the resulting loss of examiner privileges.

[madgav]

passed my IMC today..

finally. Best get it sent off quick...

Whopppeee..

Well done
got mine done last Wednesday (14th), application was with the CAA next morning

[onebounce]

Just to add to the other posts, sent my IMC paperwork off to Gatwick on 28/2 via registered mail, got it back (after a chaser phone call - they said they had a bit of a back log...) from the CAA via FedEx 21/3. All good.... now just need to keep it current....

[enq]

Here's a licence renewal / rating attachment / licence availability dilemma I have, loosely based around the IMC.

My situation is;

Currently hold a JAR-FCL PPL

2 yr revalidation by experience due 16 May, all hours achieved so will get the certificate signed off at the weekend.

I'm taking the IMC Flight Test on Saturday (24th) so should be in a position to have this rating added then.

5 Year Renewal required by 7 June.

Medical Expires end March (booked medical for 28th).

I Must be in posession of my licence by 13 April to take to US for recreational flying (Flight Review due as well, it never rains but it pours)

Also considering getting a night qualification between 29 March & 13 April.

Given the transition to EASA licencing on 8th April, anyone got any suggestions (gratefully received) on when to apply for renewal or have the IMCr added & whether or not banging in the NQ overcomplicates the timing issues?

Answers on a post card would be great - I'm tempted to just have the IMCr added pronto (although I think I need my licence for the medical so will have to check that point as it would leave very little time to have the rating added & licence back by 13 April)

enq

[24Carrot]

... go down to Gatwick to have the rating added via the counter service ...

Get there early! Everybody ahead of you as you go though that door at 8:30 will cost you an extra 30 mins waiting ...

[madgav]

I'm tempted to just have the IMCr added pronto (although I think I need my licence for the medical so will have to check that point as it would leave very little time to have the rating added & licence back by 13 April)

You shouldn't have to send your (JAR-FCL) licence with the IMCR application - see last page of the application form:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG1125FF.pdf

Think I'll give them a chaser call

[Sir George Cayley]

Not sure if this is the correct thread but this has just appeared.

IN-2012/052: Recognition of JAR-FCL Pilot Licences by the UK as of 8 April 2012, with the entry into Force of Commission Regulation (EU) No. 1178/2011 (The EASA Aircrew Regulation) | Publications | About the CAA

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