Aerotouring in Italy
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Airfield owners can't be responsible for collection of the tax. It's simply not possible without huge fences and 24 hour access control, to stop anyone entering an airfield and flying out. Fine for large international airports, but totally impossible for grass strips and small airports.
Most likely when you pay, you will be given a receipt that you've paid for a year or whatever shorter period may be allowed.
As Peter says, the danger is when you fly in next time with an unpaid (or suspected unpaid bill) from an earlier visit. When you fly across borders, you file a flight plan. It wouldn't be a big job to have flight plans containing reg's of suspected defaulters routed to customs. Then all they have to do is turn up at the appropriate airport on the day and time in question and impound your aircraft. You've told them when and where you're going to be
Even if you don't owe them anything it would be a nightmare if this happened on a Friday afternoon, and customs admin are closed until Monday, and you were just passing through enrote to somewhere else.
Most likely when you pay, you will be given a receipt that you've paid for a year or whatever shorter period may be allowed.
As Peter says, the danger is when you fly in next time with an unpaid (or suspected unpaid bill) from an earlier visit. When you fly across borders, you file a flight plan. It wouldn't be a big job to have flight plans containing reg's of suspected defaulters routed to customs. Then all they have to do is turn up at the appropriate airport on the day and time in question and impound your aircraft. You've told them when and where you're going to be
Even if you don't owe them anything it would be a nightmare if this happened on a Friday afternoon, and customs admin are closed until Monday, and you were just passing through enrote to somewhere else.
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Most likely when you pay, you will be given a receipt that you've paid for a year or whatever shorter period may be allowed.
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The ULM ruling, as you call it, extends well beyond ULMs.
PtF = Permit to Fly = not covered by a Certificate of Airworthiness
http://www.fed-ulm.be/common/pdf/AR%20survol.pdf
The ULM ruling, as you call it, extends well beyond ULMs.
PtF = Permit to Fly = not covered by a Certificate of Airworthiness
http://www.fed-ulm.be/common/pdf/AR%20survol.pdf
Seems like you're absolutely right, Patowalker. Though it is hard to be pushed into my very own legislation by a foreigner...
I think I was looking at it from a local pov, as I read it it excludes certified aircraft so that HERE it applies to microlights only... and to homebuilts perhaps, but these have become so very rare that it's easy to forget them.
I think I was looking at it from a local pov, as I read it it excludes certified aircraft so that HERE it applies to microlights only... and to homebuilts perhaps, but these have become so very rare that it's easy to forget them.
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I agree that smaller fields will have problems collecting this new infamous tax and that the last thing one wants is the Italian revenue chasing you for money since they will sooner or later find the owner and/or there will be a very nasty surprise for the next one visiting the country in the same a/c... 'That's bizarre, why is there now concrete slabs around the a/c now that I want to fly out of here....' 
But there is a very simple solution to this: a CLEAR clarification of how this law will work in practice. I really hope Italian AOPA get the answers they've been asking for, and that's before the touring season starts. Then each one can decide and plan if one wants to go to Italy (and face the predictable charges) or use another destination.
But there is a very simple solution to this: a CLEAR clarification of how this law will work in practice. I really hope Italian AOPA get the answers they've been asking for, and that's before the touring season starts. Then each one can decide and plan if one wants to go to Italy (and face the predictable charges) or use another destination.
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I totally agree that this is utter madness, complete bollox, really incomprehensible given the 'coarseness' of this proposed legislation. I can understand that Italy tries to increase it's taxbase in every way, but why not going after the 'big fish in the pond' rather than the small fish, which will of course have repercussions on the entire GA value chain in Italy.
But as someone mentioned in an earlier post, apparently this is now the Law in Italy (still with BIG question marks around implementation and enforcement), and therefore some clarity from Italy would be welcome... However, I'm the first one to hope this thing never gets implemented due to all the issues...
But as someone mentioned in an earlier post, apparently this is now the Law in Italy (still with BIG question marks around implementation and enforcement), and therefore some clarity from Italy would be welcome... However, I'm the first one to hope this thing never gets implemented due to all the issues...
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In the Italian general opinion an aeroplane is a luxuary private business jet.
Even the bloody politicians believe so. So they thought that taxing aeroplanes would earn 85 million revenue.
Reality is that all business jets are registered under commercial flying operations so are exempt from tax. That leaves only 1000 real private aeropanes, helicopters, gliders, experimentals and homebuilts - average value 50,000 euro - (and only six private really luxuary aircraft) that will pay tax for the grand actual total of 3.5 million.
Then an intellectually challenged member of parliament thought that italian aircraft owners would move Italian registrations to foreign registrations to not pay tax and added the 48 hour foreign tax.
This has caused such a mess that none of the authotities now know how to deal with the situation and are not answereing enquiries because they cannot explain the cock up.
Apologies for my language, but as an Italian, I am totally pissed off at having to pay a tax based on weight and not on value or age (a 1978 C172 pays as much as a brand new one) and ******* mad that real foreign pilots will not be coming to Italy any more.
A very unhappy Eagle
Even the bloody politicians believe so. So they thought that taxing aeroplanes would earn 85 million revenue.
Reality is that all business jets are registered under commercial flying operations so are exempt from tax. That leaves only 1000 real private aeropanes, helicopters, gliders, experimentals and homebuilts - average value 50,000 euro - (and only six private really luxuary aircraft) that will pay tax for the grand actual total of 3.5 million.
Then an intellectually challenged member of parliament thought that italian aircraft owners would move Italian registrations to foreign registrations to not pay tax and added the 48 hour foreign tax.
This has caused such a mess that none of the authotities now know how to deal with the situation and are not answereing enquiries because they cannot explain the cock up.
Apologies for my language, but as an Italian, I am totally pissed off at having to pay a tax based on weight and not on value or age (a 1978 C172 pays as much as a brand new one) and ******* mad that real foreign pilots will not be coming to Italy any more.
A very unhappy Eagle
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They seem to be getting pretty serious about the equivalent car and yacht tax
Italy Police Pursue Ferraris to Nab Tax Evaders - Bloomberg
So I guess they'll be employing a similar strategry when it comes to aircraft.
Italy Police Pursue Ferraris to Nab Tax Evaders - Bloomberg
So I guess they'll be employing a similar strategry when it comes to aircraft.
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They seem to be getting pretty serious about the equivalent car and yacht tax
The tax authorities will use the data to check if the cars’ owners had declared enough income -- and of course paid the right amount of income taxes -- to justify their lifestyles.
One needs to get one's head around the sheer unbelievable stupidity of this proposal, first.
