Just a quick 'rules' related question..
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Just a quick 'rules' related question..
I have been wanting to get some footage of myself flying solo, just so i can show friends and family etc and today i experemented using my phone's video recorder. I filmed a short clip which come out fairly well and i would like to upload it to my website. It was quite aquard tho as i had to hold the camera whilst filming and in future i shall use a properly mounted camera. What i would like to know is, am i breaking any rules by holding a cameraphone to film myself flying? If i upload the clip and sods luck someone from CAA sees it, could i be in trouble?
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erm...I've never heard of such activity being illegal, but stand to be corrected. It's not quite the same as driving, where there is a clear points structure.
How much of the flight did you actually film? Going solo and flying the approach one handed while fiddling with a cameraphone is never going to be a good idea. Filming a brief bit of enroute footage while in the cruise shouldn't really compromise saftey, and could even enhance the lookout as you look around for the best bits to film. I hope your instructor doesn't find out!
How much of the flight did you actually film? Going solo and flying the approach one handed while fiddling with a cameraphone is never going to be a good idea. Filming a brief bit of enroute footage while in the cruise shouldn't really compromise saftey, and could even enhance the lookout as you look around for the best bits to film. I hope your instructor doesn't find out!
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No. Unless you are so distracted that they can prosecute you under the generic "endangering aircraft/passengers" rules. But there are no specific rules about filming in/from an aircraft. (Except in the Netherlands, where the government never cancelled the cold-war-era legislation on this.)
Having said that, the distraction part is a real issue. If you can mount, turn on and then forget the camera: fine. In all other cases I would urge you to abandon the whole project and simply wait until you're allowed to carry passengers, and ask them to do the filming for you.
Having said that, the distraction part is a real issue. If you can mount, turn on and then forget the camera: fine. In all other cases I would urge you to abandon the whole project and simply wait until you're allowed to carry passengers, and ask them to do the filming for you.
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I'm assuming your still a student, in which case I'd concentrate on learning to fly, manage the engine, navigate and monitor the radio etc.
I know the feeling, when I was learning to fly all I wanted were a few pictures of me flying - so I could show off to friends and family - but it's best to wait until you can take passengers. I've only done it once and as you said, taking a picture in flight when solo is a bit "aquard".
I know the feeling, when I was learning to fly all I wanted were a few pictures of me flying - so I could show off to friends and family - but it's best to wait until you can take passengers. I've only done it once and as you said, taking a picture in flight when solo is a bit "aquard".
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Yes, i am still a student, i was on a solo nav exercise and the leg was about 25nm long, the weather was near perfect for flying so basically i did have quite a long time of doing nothing but the occasional FREDA check and listening to the farnborough radar for any info coming my way. Thought it would be the ideal time to capture a quick clip of the controls, outside and a smile for the camera 
it only lasted about 20 seconds. I wouldn't dream of doing it on the climb-out or landing!! lol.
But for next time i shall use the webcam method, i have a logitech hd cam which has a 'pinch' style clip on it for mounting on the top of LCD monitors and i found that there is a certain piece of celling trim on the 152's that the cam clip can be slotted inside and gives perfect view of the 2 front seats, controls and out the window. Ill give this a go next time!
thanks for the help!
it only lasted about 20 seconds. I wouldn't dream of doing it on the climb-out or landing!! lol. But for next time i shall use the webcam method, i have a logitech hd cam which has a 'pinch' style clip on it for mounting on the top of LCD monitors and i found that there is a certain piece of celling trim on the 152's that the cam clip can be slotted inside and gives perfect view of the 2 front seats, controls and out the window. Ill give this a go next time!
thanks for the help!
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That sounds like a better idea.
However, if the camera starts to play up, look like it's not filming, slip from it's position or even falls off and rolls round the cockpit, make sure you're able to just completely ignore it and fly the plane. Don't go fiddling round with it in flight, as loss of control will likely follow.
However, if the camera starts to play up, look like it's not filming, slip from it's position or even falls off and rolls round the cockpit, make sure you're able to just completely ignore it and fly the plane. Don't go fiddling round with it in flight, as loss of control will likely follow.
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What i would like to know is, am i breaking any rules by holding a cameraphone to film myself flying? If i upload the clip and sods luck someone from CAA sees it, could i be in trouble?
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That individual came round here trying to sell me a blurred photo of my house which lies on 1 mile final to an airfield. I wasn't interested in the photo anyway but instead asked a few questions. It quickly became obvious that he was a one man operator. He had been taking photos whilst on finals to land. He was banned from self-fly hire from that airfield some time afterwards, after he was reported breaking Rule 5 over a city. The Chief Instructor followed him next time he flew and he was seen doing the same again. He denied everything, of course.
He went on to hire from another airfield. He was involved in a fatal mid-air collision not long afterwards, again, while flying at very low level near a village on a very busy military low flying route.
Photos from aircraft are great. But for safety's sake, concentrate on looking out and just get someone else to take them for you.
He went on to hire from another airfield. He was involved in a fatal mid-air collision not long afterwards, again, while flying at very low level near a village on a very busy military low flying route.
Photos from aircraft are great. But for safety's sake, concentrate on looking out and just get someone else to take them for you.
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I think it was as a result of that accident that they started the CANP programme.
Anyone thinking of taking photographs should read this
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_GAD_AERIAL_PHOTO.PDF
Anyone thinking of taking photographs should read this
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/SRG_GAD_AERIAL_PHOTO.PDF
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I'd like to hear your plan for retreiving the camera from behind the RHS right rudder pedal where it is preventing you applying right rudder WHEN it falls off on climb-out!
Sounds like something I would patiently wait until I have received my licence and have elisted suitable help for.
Mind you, my risk appetite diminishes each year - probably a function of reading accident reports and attending funerals.
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Sounds like something I would patiently wait until I have received my licence and have elisted suitable help for.
Mind you, my risk appetite diminishes each year - probably a function of reading accident reports and attending funerals.
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Nothing illegal about it, but if you put the video on Y0utube, try to not get killed shortly afterwards like that crazy pilot did the other week (can't find the link at the moment) 
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I0540, see below for the link. I drafted this earlier but thought better of sending it at the time, and others have made the safety point well since.
But anyway, for those who like video clips:
Here is an example of a glider flight being filmed, hand held by rear seat pilot:
Video Gallery
(By the way, notice the head movements of the pilot in front. This is from a tandem 2-seater. It shows active lookout, from about 1m 50 secs onwards, once they are off tow and not having to concentrate on following the tug.)
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This video is from a small camera, possibly an “808” keyring type, stuck to the cockpit behind the (solo) pilot. This is how to do it solo, safely. (Again, notice also the pilot’s head movements, visible when he looks to his right.)
Glider record flight over the Alps.mov - YouTube
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Here is an example of how not to film when flying solo (IMHO). Hand held.
(By the way, this pilot died in a crash earlier this year, not in this filmed flight. See http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...zerland-2.html .)
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...itzerland.html
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(My comments about lookout are not meant to point to a difference between glider pilots and power pilots – these are just individual examples which I have seen recently. My message is that hand-held is for multi-seaters; solo, fix the camera to the aircraft or your head and leave it running, and keep up your lookout.)
Chris N
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PS – even this Teddy bear had fixed cameras and kept his head moving!
An example to us all.
C N
But anyway, for those who like video clips:
Here is an example of a glider flight being filmed, hand held by rear seat pilot:
Video Gallery
(By the way, notice the head movements of the pilot in front. This is from a tandem 2-seater. It shows active lookout, from about 1m 50 secs onwards, once they are off tow and not having to concentrate on following the tug.)
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This video is from a small camera, possibly an “808” keyring type, stuck to the cockpit behind the (solo) pilot. This is how to do it solo, safely. (Again, notice also the pilot’s head movements, visible when he looks to his right.)
Glider record flight over the Alps.mov - YouTube
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Here is an example of how not to film when flying solo (IMHO). Hand held.
(By the way, this pilot died in a crash earlier this year, not in this filmed flight. See http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...zerland-2.html .)
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...itzerland.html
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(My comments about lookout are not meant to point to a difference between glider pilots and power pilots – these are just individual examples which I have seen recently. My message is that hand-held is for multi-seaters; solo, fix the camera to the aircraft or your head and leave it running, and keep up your lookout.)
Chris N
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PS – even this Teddy bear had fixed cameras and kept his head moving!
An example to us all.
C N
Last edited by chrisN; 3rd Dec 2011 at 23:04.
