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Old 15th Oct 2011, 19:24
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PA28 down Switzerland

BBC News - UK pilot reported dead in Switzerland plane crash
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PA-28 down in France

BBC News - UK pilot reported dead in Switzerland plane crash

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This evenings local Blackpool paper states that the aircraft was returning to
Bagby where it had been hired from.
It was operated by Flybpl.com who have a base there.
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ALLEGEDLY, if the rumours of the the PIC are correct, it will come as no surprise to the regular consumers of the AAIB bulletins.
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Quite a good swimmer by all accounts.........
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Let's leave the personal speculation until some reputable facts are established. It's tempting but would be morally incorrect to draw any parallels between this incident and a previous fatal incident involving a Blackpool based aircraft - totally different circumstances.
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Do you mean the Breighton swimmer who recently had a small part on Helicopter Heros?
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sorry old chap. Nothing was meant in respect to another BPL related fatal accident.
Some other posters appear to know the score though.
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You would in all likelihood be correct John, although for the record madlandy, no link known of or inferred to any previous fatal accident- just previous swimming prowess..
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River Derwent.
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Appears the CofA ran out at the end of August according to G-INFO.
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River Derwent.
Okay, I'm intrigued, and simply nosy.

I recall that there was an accident which was reported to have been a "forced landing" on a river, beside an area of ground that looked really good for a forced landing.

Is there a suggestion that the PA 28 acciden of this thread, and that "force landing" are related to each other (same pilot)?

Just me trying to stay with the program here....
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Utterly unbelievable.
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Old 16th Oct 2011, 08:49
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From a local newspaper :
Le brouillard aurait-il causé le crash mortel d
An inn-keeper, a few hundred metres from the accident, heard an aircraft noise which appeared to be close, then a noise of broken branches and trees... He went out but could not find anything due to a solid fog ....
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Pilot DAR,

See G-SACK on the AAIB site.

Same individual.
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Lessons to be learned?
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Bagby, below Sutton Bank ?
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One lesson that might be learned is that this is an indictment of the AAIB methodology.

Clearly AAIB isn't a court of law, and the intention is not to ascribe blame, but if they are nearly certain (if not absolutely certain) that G-SACK was being flown dangerously low along the Derwent when it either had an engine failure, or maybe just hit the water, then maybe saying so rather than just parroting the pilot's version of events might have cast enough of a question mark over the pilot to have prevented him flying again, and thereby saved his and his pax' life.

I am not criticising the AAIB inspectors, they are working to brief. I am questioning the brief they are given, which does not seem to be geared towards dangerous flying.
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G-SACK

To be fair to the AAIB, they didn't just parrot the pilot's version; they also added a comment exposing the contradiction between his story and the available evidence.

Whether behind those contradictions there are rules being broken is a decision best left to the Authority, and there was nothing back then stopping the CAA from digging deeper and possibly prosecuting the pilot.
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sorry old chap. Nothing was meant in respect to another BPL related fatal accident.
Some other posters appear to know the score though.
No worries, I'm glad to see that no-one has drawn any parallels to the one a couple of years ago. This particular incident sounds rather like CFIT in unsuitable conditions...
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