Wycombe air park - accident
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Toulouse
Age: 63
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi Bose-X, I'd worked that much out 
Just didn't seem to be as wide as a PA32... I was doing some gliding at Booker an age ago and a Grob 109 went through the hedge - the gap was as wide as the Grob... About 15 metres.
Just didn't seem to be as wide as a PA32... I was doing some gliding at Booker an age ago and a Grob 109 went through the hedge - the gap was as wide as the Grob... About 15 metres.
Last edited by VOD80; 8th Jun 2011 at 15:12. Reason: iPhone keyboard and fat fingers...
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Job Centre
Age: 74
Posts: 169
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Code:
How come it didn't catch fire & then explode violently
Last edited by sunday driver; 8th Jun 2011 at 15:32. Reason: Attempted to remove 'Code:' ... unsuccessfully
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: UK,Twighlight Zone
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
VOD80
*
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Toulouse
Age: 50
Posts: 103
Hi Bose-X, I'd worked that much out
Just didn't seem to be as wide as a PA32... I was doing some gliding at Booker an age ago and a Grob 109 went through the hedge - the gap was as wide as the Grob... About 15 metres.
Last edited by VOD80; 8th Jun 2011 at 16:12. Reason: iPhone keyboard and fat fingers...
*
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Toulouse
Age: 50
Posts: 103
Hi Bose-X, I'd worked that much out
Just didn't seem to be as wide as a PA32... I was doing some gliding at Booker an age ago and a Grob 109 went through the hedge - the gap was as wide as the Grob... About 15 metres.
Last edited by VOD80; 8th Jun 2011 at 16:12. Reason: iPhone keyboard and fat fingers...
The wing was left in the hedge as the aircraft carved a new hole through it. As the wing ripped off the other wing folded backwards and so the hole is much narrower........
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: The Cotswold International Airport
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Crash
I visited the airport on my trip from Holland to the UK and I witnessed the crash.
It was a horrible sight and I thought at first nobody would survive. I'm a grown up guy but it was one of the most awful things I have seen. I almost broke into tears expecting nobody would have survived. I have been told everybody has, which is a miracle.
Even though I saw what happened I cannot and I dont want to judge. I saw a nose up pitch and the plane had troubles to get airborne, buy everything else I would post would be sheer speculation.
Having witnessed an accident I feel I would like to make a general comment: Please be mild when judging. Until investigations are completed please refrain from speculating. Because even having witnessed a crash I do not feel I can make any useful comment other then describing my observations.
I visited the airport on my trip from Holland to the UK and I witnessed the crash.
It was a horrible sight and I thought at first nobody would survive. I'm a grown up guy but it was one of the most awful things I have seen. I almost broke into tears expecting nobody would have survived. I have been told everybody has, which is a miracle.
Even though I saw what happened I cannot and I dont want to judge. I saw a nose up pitch and the plane had troubles to get airborne, buy everything else I would post would be sheer speculation.
Having witnessed an accident I feel I would like to make a general comment: Please be mild when judging. Until investigations are completed please refrain from speculating. Because even having witnessed a crash I do not feel I can make any useful comment other then describing my observations.
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Counterintuitively, losing both wings is probably one of the things which aided the cabin remaining intact. Shedding mass in an accident is usually (not always) a good thing as it's just energy being dumped along the way.
I'd rather be in an accident where you cartwheel for 100meters throwing bits away as you go, than one where you shed the same speed over 5meters and are fully intact.
I'd rather be in an accident where you cartwheel for 100meters throwing bits away as you go, than one where you shed the same speed over 5meters and are fully intact.
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Plumpton Green
Age: 79
Posts: 1,035
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For those of you that are pilots I hope and pray that you never have to live through this experience and then face the childish and critical comments that have been displayed on this thread.
You might want to put your legal hat on and tell us why a there should be no rumours on a rumour network.
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: UK
Age: 32
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
cmh67, I can see where you're coming from, but you have to understand this is a forum, generally people discuss and give their opinion about things, there are no set rules about what can be said..
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: UK,Twighlight Zone
Posts: 0
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
We are all adults here with a keen interests in flying which has its risks. Let's make this experience a positive one.
All of the other questions I have asked have been perfectly legitimate in trying to gain an understanding of the incident. By trying to understand the conditions at the time of the incident and provoking discussion on aspects of loading, runway and environmental conditions I was hoping to make the experience a postive learning one.
As I have said a couple of times I am unable to reconcile the W&B and was asking for a little help in understanding the numbers. You clearly stated the W&B was done so running through the numbers would have helped dispel the theory that the aircraft might have been overloaded? That leaves other areas for consideration.
I was also curious if the other aircraft in the party carried on or if the whole trip was binned as clearly it would have been a downer going off knowing your friends had been in a crash?
I have not accused anyone of anything, just tried to examine logically the conditions of the accident and see what can be learnt from them. Exactly the same as the AIB will be doing. It is all part of the learning experience to see if we can draw the same conclusion as the AIB.
I should imagine that the usual things will be examined by them. Such as the mechanical state of the aircraft, crew experience and competance, loading of the aircraft, witness statements on the attitude of the aircraft during the take off run. Then you have the usual questions about purpose of the flight you know the usual was it a club flight a public transport flight or just a group of friends cost sharing etc.
Whats the problem with a group of pilots expressing there own theories as surely there is nothing to hide?
The pictures just give us a better understanding of the conditions of the accident. I do agree that making light of the situation is a little bit of bad taste but I don't agree that discussing it sensibly and in context is wrong.
Feel free to knock up a solicitors letter to me. Not sure on what grounds you feel you have recourse but hey I am game!!!
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Age: 68
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Talking about Rumours, there is nothing worse than suggesting the W&B was done and found to be well within the limitations of the plane (factual) and by extrapolation (he decided to take off) the pilot but then to decide not to come up with these W&B calculations.
Especially coming from somebody who also claims to have a legal hat...
giving a finger and withholding the hand seems to be to being an invitation for rumours.
Especially coming from somebody who also claims to have a legal hat...
giving a finger and withholding the hand seems to be to being an invitation for rumours.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: london
Posts: 247
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
For those of you that are pilots I hope and pray that you never have to live through this experience and then face the childish and critical comments that have been displayed on this thread... ... regarding a horrific experience that haunts every moment of my day and night.
This forum is probably not the best place to be to help get your head around recent events.
May I suggest you give consideration to seeking professional counselling? Being able to talk through your feelings about what has happened in a totally safe environment will help to quell the nightmares.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Age: 68
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Now now, let's cool down.....
cmh I am sorry you are not finding on this forum what you were looking for, but I fear it is of your own doing.
W&B or exit I would say, both actions would stop the rumours
cmh I am sorry you are not finding on this forum what you were looking for, but I fear it is of your own doing.
W&B or exit I would say, both actions would stop the rumours
Last edited by vanHorck; 9th Jun 2011 at 15:18. Reason: typo
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Northants
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Constructive discussions are one thing. Clearly I was mistaken when I registered to a professional network. The recent comments are far from constructive. If it makes you feel better to attack me in light of the seriousness of this accident then feel free.
Thank you to those who have been supportive and genuinely concerned about this incident. Clearly this site has people registered who have too much time on their hands and want nothing more than to stir up a situation by adding rumours not opinions. My mistake.
And yes VanHorck it is time for me to exit. Clearly my comments being a PASSENGER are of no value here.
Thank you to those who have been supportive and genuinely concerned about this incident. Clearly this site has people registered who have too much time on their hands and want nothing more than to stir up a situation by adding rumours not opinions. My mistake.
And yes VanHorck it is time for me to exit. Clearly my comments being a PASSENGER are of no value here.