Apparent brake failure!! Do you take off??
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Re the "Husky" again, here is a link to a photo of the actual aircraft:
Photograph of Aircraft G-AVOD
Here's what happened to it:
Air Accidents Investigation: Beagle Auster D5 Series 180 Husky, G-AVOD
Not sure what you're inferring there, Nutloose... maybe you also think the four seater version of the Husky had a stretched fuselage with four seats front to back, all in one row? 
Re the "Husky" again, here is a link to a photo of the actual aircraft:
Photograph of Aircraft G-AVOD
Here's what happened to it:
Air Accidents Investigation: Beagle Auster D5 Series 180 Husky, G-AVOD
Buccaneer had front and rear seats offset too.
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If no brakes, flare short!!
Oops!! I bet you didn´t slow down too much!!
I guess you never used them before T/O etc, that day.
Quite a story and by the way, that instructor owed you more than an apology--> this story´s got "cold beer" all over it.
??????
Why would that be?
Would that be something to do with Guppy´s browser settings or are you implying something else?
But brakes are important, aren´t they?
What if you flare a bit too long?
Plane]Not Found • VideoSift: Online Video *Quality Control overshoots runway at St. Barts airport • VideoSift: Online Video *Quality Control[/url]
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I guess you never used them before T/O etc, that day.
Quite a story and by the way, that instructor owed you more than an apology--> this story´s got "cold beer" all over it.
??????
Why would that be?
Would that be something to do with Guppy´s browser settings or are you implying something else?
But brakes are important, aren´t they?
What if you flare a bit too long?
Plane]Not Found • VideoSift: Online Video *Quality Control overshoots runway at St. Barts airport • VideoSift: Online Video *Quality Control[/url]
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Nobody's mentioned the problem if one wheel has a rubbing point, which would be hardly noticeable with brakes O.K., but makes a brake steered taildragger uncontrollable following brake failure. And the fire possibility with the friction + leaked brake fluid. On a Jodel DR1050 a seized slave brake cylinder can lead to rudder restriction on that side.
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I think the point was raised earlier in the discussion. As you've touched on it again, however, given that much of the time when taxiing a conventional gear ("tail dragger") airplane, one doesn't use the brakes, including aircraft which have no steering beyond the brakes, a little brake rub doesn't mean one will wind up in the ditch.
Most airplanes with brakes-only for steering have lockable tailwheels, and may of these airplanes are taxied straight with the tailwheels locked (unlocking for turns). There's nothing to preclude being able to taxi, necesssarily, but there's also no reason why one wouldn't discover it with brakes not working when it would remain hidden with brakes fully operative. After all, brakes don't hide such a problem, and it may be the repeated need for braking on one side that reveals it.
It generally takes a lot more braking action than a little rub to cause a fire. I don't know if you've ever had a brake fire; I have, but it took a LOT of braking to make it happen, and in the brake installations in most light airplanes, it's a hard thing to do unless the brake puck packings are fully eroded and already leaking, and the pads are so thin as to allow extreme excessive travel on the puck.
Most airplanes with brakes-only for steering have lockable tailwheels, and may of these airplanes are taxied straight with the tailwheels locked (unlocking for turns). There's nothing to preclude being able to taxi, necesssarily, but there's also no reason why one wouldn't discover it with brakes not working when it would remain hidden with brakes fully operative. After all, brakes don't hide such a problem, and it may be the repeated need for braking on one side that reveals it.
It generally takes a lot more braking action than a little rub to cause a fire. I don't know if you've ever had a brake fire; I have, but it took a LOT of braking to make it happen, and in the brake installations in most light airplanes, it's a hard thing to do unless the brake puck packings are fully eroded and already leaking, and the pads are so thin as to allow extreme excessive travel on the puck.
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I once did an IMCR renewal in a C152 when I and the examiner both knew the right brake was inop. With hindsight, we succumbed to pressonitis - it would have been a pain to reschedule the test, the weather was perfect and we'd prebooked the necessary approaches at Lyneham.
It was a non-event, as it turns out (apart from the embarrassing attempt to make a right turn off the runway on arrival, which became a 270deg left turn instead). Far more worrying was that on the way back from Lyneham I accidentally squawked 7700 instead of 7000 for about 20 seconds before ATC asked if we were all right..! (I passed, though I wonder if I should have...)
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It was a non-event, as it turns out (apart from the embarrassing attempt to make a right turn off the runway on arrival, which became a 270deg left turn instead). Far more worrying was that on the way back from Lyneham I accidentally squawked 7700 instead of 7000 for about 20 seconds before ATC asked if we were all right..! (I passed, though I wonder if I should have...)
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Iffy brakes……..
It was a non-event, as it turns out (apart from the embarrassing attempt to make a right turn off the runway on arrival, which became a 270deg left turn instead). Far more worrying was that on the way back from Lyneham I accidentally squawked 7700 instead of 7000 for about 20 seconds before ATC asked if we were all right..! (I passed, though I wonder if I should have...)
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But like you said, a bit of "Getthere-itis"………I think we all know it at times.
But combine this with Katamarino´s story about having to land on a short runway………and you´d seriously kick yourself.
Actually 2 days ago I flew with a brake that was "iffy"…..working, but not perfect.
I didn´t realize until after the landing………so I left the runway a bit faster than I normally would have!
All fixed again now!!
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Famous last words……...
What do you Brits call this again; "Sod´s law"??
Today, on short final into the club; I felt something weird on my throttle…….I checked, and there it was--> the brake handle hanging loose off of my throttle.
Yes, mine is "hand braked"……..1 handle, for both sides.
Hmm, not a big tragedy I suppose, but as explained before, our runway doesn´t spring to mind when it comes to the longest / widest runway in the world, and I am very much a novice as a pilot.
I considered my options, with the sun setting rather fast; and in the end I felt confident that I´d be able to stop in time. (or otherwise do a go around).
I came in very short, probably touched the plants at the threshold of the runway with my main gear……..but landed horribly rough; yet it looked good distance wise, I aimed for the rough grass on the sides of the runway and switched off the engine.
I still had 150 meters to spare when we came to a halt!! No sweat!!
Question: why was my landing so bad today?
Concentrating on the wrong things?
My instructor / mechanic wasn´t there but he congratulated me over the phone for the experience as a pilot that I got today!
Time for a cold one now!
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Hand brake……..
Good question, Guppy!
Hope you can see it on the following pic……….the centre stick is the throttle, and yes………the "pushbike brake" kind of handle are in facts my brakes!
For your reference:
Slipstream Genesis, Slipstream Industries Genesis, Genesis light sport aircraft and two place ultralight.
I am in the middle of an upgrade……but in the meantime I´m building up some hours--> nothing wrong with starting at square 1, right?
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Hope you can see it on the following pic……….the centre stick is the throttle, and yes………the "pushbike brake" kind of handle are in facts my brakes!
For your reference:
Slipstream Genesis, Slipstream Industries Genesis, Genesis light sport aircraft and two place ultralight.
I am in the middle of an upgrade……but in the meantime I´m building up some hours--> nothing wrong with starting at square 1, right?
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?????????
I thought I explained the details in my former post.
Am I not supposed to fly this particular aircraft, according to you??
Please motivate your point, if you don´t mind; Guppy--> I think we´re misunderstanding each other here.
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Local slang? When someone says "what kind of aircraft is it?," you find this to be slang? English translation: specifically what kind of aircraft is it that you're flying? Not really that hard to grasp, you see. You could have said Cessna 152, Weedhopper, Quicksilver MX, F18 Hornet. What kind means just as it sounds. What kind of aircraft. Very complicated, that.
I said nothing about what you should or should not be doing. I asked you what aircraft you're flying. You didn't say. I asked you again.
If stating what aircraft you're flying is some kind of secret, fine. It's a simple question; one your'e apparently unwilling or unable to answer, for whatever reason.
You did post a web site for a seller of ultralights, which advertises a number of different kinds of ultralights.
If it's a deep, dark, secret-squirrel classified ultralight project, then so be it. It's a simple question. Forget I asked. I really wasn't that interested.
I said nothing about what you should or should not be doing. I asked you what aircraft you're flying. You didn't say. I asked you again.
If stating what aircraft you're flying is some kind of secret, fine. It's a simple question; one your'e apparently unwilling or unable to answer, for whatever reason.
You did post a web site for a seller of ultralights, which advertises a number of different kinds of ultralights.
If it's a deep, dark, secret-squirrel classified ultralight project, then so be it. It's a simple question. Forget I asked. I really wasn't that interested.
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Coming back to the original... Why has the brakes failed? Is it a fluid leak? Where is that fluid leaking to? Electrics? Ignition? Has the mount for the calliper failed leading to tyre damage? Has some part of the brake actuating system failed/loose leading to that part falling down and obstructing say the rudder control? Do you want me to go on?
IMHO, it's one thing operating where the cause of the failure is known and analysed, but it's another pressing on in a state of ignorance.
The OP did the right thing.
IMHO, it's one thing operating where the cause of the failure is known and analysed, but it's another pressing on in a state of ignorance.
The OP did the right thing.
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Local slang? When someone says "what kind of aircraft is it?," you find this to be slang? English translation: specifically what kind of aircraft is it that you're flying? Not really that hard to grasp, you see. You could have said Cessna 152, Weedhopper, Quicksilver MX, F18 Hornet. What kind means just as it sounds. What kind of aircraft. Very complicated, that.
I said nothing about what you should or should not be doing. I asked you what aircraft you're flying. You didn't say. I asked you again.
If stating what aircraft you're flying is some kind of secret, fine. It's a simple question; one your'e apparently unwilling or unable to answer, for whatever reason.
You did post a web site for a seller of ultralights, which advertises a number of different kinds of ultralights.
If it's a deep, dark, secret-squirrel classified ultralight project, then so be it. It's a simple question. Forget I asked. I really wasn't that interested.
I said nothing about what you should or should not be doing. I asked you what aircraft you're flying. You didn't say. I asked you again.
If stating what aircraft you're flying is some kind of secret, fine. It's a simple question; one your'e apparently unwilling or unable to answer, for whatever reason.
You did post a web site for a seller of ultralights, which advertises a number of different kinds of ultralights.
If it's a deep, dark, secret-squirrel classified ultralight project, then so be it. It's a simple question. Forget I asked. I really wasn't that interested.
I was just asking.
The shortcut of the link I provided did mention "Slipstream Genesis" but if you didn't get that info, don't take it out on me.
It may be a browser thing, certain details may not appear on your screen like I expected it to......for me it seemed perfectly clear.
You seem to get overly angry over nothing, while I approached you in a friendly way. .
I'm not here to fight or fall out, if that's your goal on this site, please advise and I will stay well clear......
Please, this was a misunderstanding, no need for an overdose of sarcasm just because we miscommunicated.
"Cough", thank you for your comnent.
It was a loose cable actually.
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You did post a web site for a seller of ultralights, which advertises a number of different kinds of ultralights.
It is, however, a horrid website though and you have to scroll past a whole screen worth of adverts before you get to the content which is half way down the page. It may be this that caught you out.
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Take it easy, mate!
I was just asking.
I was just asking.
Please motivate your point, if you don´t mind; Guppy
The shortcut of the link I provided did mention "Slipstream Genesis" but if you didn't get that info, don't take it out on me.
As I said, it's not that big a deal. I was curious, that's all. If you'd prefer not to divulge this state secret, that's your privilege.
I'm not here to fight or fall out, if that's your goal on this site, please advise and I will stay well clear......
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SNS3Guppy, click his link and scroll down past the adverts. There is no ambiguity whatsoever. The page is for the Slipstream Genesis, and that aircraft alone.
That's just a misguided attempt at search engine optimisation... As I said, horrible website but the information is there.
Slipstream Genesis, Slipstream Industries Genesis, Genisis Light Sport Aircraft and the two place ultralight
A simple "The aircraft is a Slipstream Genesis" and a link to a site or photo probably would have prevented any misunderstanding.
That appears to be all this is.
(Assuming it is that a/c, of course. It's not 100% clear to me, either.)
That appears to be all this is.
(Assuming it is that a/c, of course. It's not 100% clear to me, either.)
