NPPL or LAPL?

[J.A.F.O.]

The future's bright, the future's Lockhaven Yellow.

Think I'll keep the LAA Membership up to date, bit too fat for BMAA.

[kevkdg]

I notice BEAGLES quote:

If it's an SLMG, you'll be able to convert to a LAPL(S).
If it's a TMG, you'll be able to convert to a LAPL(A).
If it's an Annex II 'vintage' motorglider, you'll be able to fly it on a NPPL(SLMG).

I have an NPPL (SLMG), but this entitles one to fly either SLMG or TMG. So, does that mean I'd convert it to a LAPL(S) or a LAPL(A)?

Also, what do I need to do and when?

[BEagle]

No-one can yet be certain. I can't really advise you one way or another, I'm afraid.

[robin]

The answer is to wait

The CAA has already stated the timescale is unachievable (unless they get more staff). There will be a derogation to allow for a phased introduction or there will be a revolution where EASA nerds are put up against a wall and laughed at......

[pulse1]

Letter gone off to my MEP, Giles Chichester. Told him that, if EASA had been around at the time his old man would never have got off the ground.

[kevkdg]

what does the S in LAPL(S) stand for?

[BEagle]

Sailplanes









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[robin]

Letter gone off to my MEP, Giles Chichester. Told him that, if EASA had been around at the time his old man would never have got off the ground.

I've done that in the past. He's not his father's son as I got a typical politico's response from him.

I will write again but we need to hit the UK government and the party machines as well. Despite the anti-EU rhetoric we aren't going to get any help except from that illegal flier - Nigel Farage

[BEagle]

Now if I convert to NPPL I get my GP (who also happens to be a French AME) to countersign my self declaration, et voila.

A Medical Declaration may only be signed by a UK GP with a Licence to Practise in the UK. Not even by an AME unless he/she happens to be your UK GP.


So far, the scores on PPRuNe and Flyer are running at:

Prefer NPPL: 31
Prefer LAPL: 1 (only because it includes a LAPL(H))

[VictorGolf]

Make that 32 for the NPPL. I do have a slight vested interest as I fly an Annex 2 type which should still come under the CAA remit along with the licence (I hope).

[kevkdg]

Hi,

Just resurecting this thread on the off chance that more info may now be available a year on. Can't find any official published info, but maybe those in the know, know something?

I have an NPPL(A) with SLMG only and fly a Slingsby T61F Venture.

i have found this from the BGA to assist in classifying the various types of Motor Gliders/Powered Sailplanes:

BGA Proposal
A powered sailplane is a glider equipped with an engine. There are three types
of powered sailplanes:
-

Touring Motor gliders (TMG) which have an integrally mounted,
non-retractable engine and non-retractable propeller …
- Self launched gliders which have a retractable engine or a retractable
propeller and are capable of taking off and climbing under their own power.
When the engine is inoperative, they have the characteristics of a pure
sailplane.
- Self Sustained gliders which must be launched like a pure sailplane not
equipped with an engine, but which can climb slowly to extend a flight once
the engine or the propeller is deployed and started. When the engine is

inoperative, they have the characteristics of a pure sailplane.

I'm wondering if I will have grandfather rights to either an LAPL(A) with TMG rating or an LAPL(S) with TMG rating?

Or do i get to choose which one?

Regards

Kevin

[kevkdg]

I may have answered my own question. If the above BGA offered definitions are adopted by EASA, then according to:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/e-Sept2011_v3.pdf

It would be an lapl(A) with TMG.

BUT, I wonder, how can they tell from the licence NPPL(SLMG) whether you have been flying Powered Sailplanes or TMG's. This could only be shown via log book evidence as to what aircraft you did your skills test and have been flying!

[Poeli]

Sorry to bump into this thread, but I've been reading about the LAPL since 2008. Is there any date known that the LAPL/LPL will be launched? In 2008 I was reading about it, in 2010 and now still, but still nothing visible (like schools offering the licence).

[David Roberts]

The LAPL will come into effect 8th April 2012, but there is a maximum three year derogation allowed to member states to provide them with administrative easing of the transition. Some member states may well be issuing a LAPL from April 2012, but these will only conversions from equivalent national licences based on a conversion report from the NAA of the member state, whilst other NAAs will use the derogation time-delay to get their administrative processes set up. The UK CAA aims to issue LAPLs from July 2012.

Applicants for a new LAPL (i.e. training from zero post 8 April 2012) are unlikely to be doing this before the end of 2012 at the earliest as the required Approved Training Organisations will not have had their approvals until at least April 2012, followed by the training elapsed timescale.

Everyone wanting conversion from a national licence to a LAPL will need to complete the process by 8 April 2015 in order to continue to fly aircraft within the scope of EU airworthiness regulations after that date.

[kevkdg]

any ideas when the CAA will publish the conversion report?

[Miroku]

Or indicate the medical requirements?