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trial lesson certificate??
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I took a trial lesson at stapleford . .I remember vaguely one of the staff giving another customer (who took a trial lesson awell) a seperate certificate. Can some one confirm me that? I didnt get one <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
It would be useful if I got one because I could have been able to put it in my NRA (still at school here).
So does anyone know if there is a seperate ceritificate to go with it?
thanks
I took a trial lesson at stapleford . .I remember vaguely one of the staff giving another customer (who took a trial lesson awell) a seperate certificate. Can some one confirm me that? I didnt get one <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
It would be useful if I got one because I could have been able to put it in my NRA (still at school here).
So does anyone know if there is a seperate ceritificate to go with it?
thanks
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From: Great B.
Yeh - just go and ask them for one - give them a call and see if they do them! I'm sure they'll give you one. I didn't ask for one when I had my trial lesson (3 years ago!), because I didn't think it was that important. I suppose it is if you aren't intending to continue flying - otherwise you have your logbook!
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Haven't been up there for a while, but they used to sell a trial lesson gift pack as an option when you took a trial lesson. This included the certificate and a few other bits and pieces. I think it cost about a fiver, but this was a couple of years ago.
Anyway, give them a call and I'm sure they'll sort something out, even if it means you have to part with a fiver.
Cheers.
rb
Anyway, give them a call and I'm sure they'll sort something out, even if it means you have to part with a fiver.
Cheers.
rb
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Hi,
Changing the subject here a bit sorry, but I intend to be a pilot within the next 6 - 7 months, and I was wondering if I can claim my 4 hours of trial lessons and put them into my log book as 'training time' (is it?)
One problem with one hour of a trial lesson is the company has gone bust since! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
Cheers
Changing the subject here a bit sorry, but I intend to be a pilot within the next 6 - 7 months, and I was wondering if I can claim my 4 hours of trial lessons and put them into my log book as 'training time' (is it?)
One problem with one hour of a trial lesson is the company has gone bust since! <img src="frown.gif" border="0">
Cheers
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Hi Ian.
You can log all of your trial lessons, though obviously you need some of the flight details to do this, for example the instructor's name, date, flight length, and aircraft.. .However, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over missing the odd one because most people take longer than the minimum required time to complete the course anyway!
You can log all of your trial lessons, though obviously you need some of the flight details to do this, for example the instructor's name, date, flight length, and aircraft.. .However, I wouldn't lose too much sleep over missing the odd one because most people take longer than the minimum required time to complete the course anyway!
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Thanks Redbug <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Wannabapilot - I was actually thinking the same thing when I 1st got my logbook. I'm not experienced though sorry so I can't answer that one!
I'd only think that it could be monitored by the book you have to fill out when you depart and arrive to and from the flying club your at. If they don't match up then you're screwed! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
But as I said, I’m not experienced so don’t quote me on that!
Wannabapilot - I was actually thinking the same thing when I 1st got my logbook. I'm not experienced though sorry so I can't answer that one!
I'd only think that it could be monitored by the book you have to fill out when you depart and arrive to and from the flying club your at. If they don't match up then you're screwed! <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
But as I said, I’m not experienced so don’t quote me on that!
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In reply to the certificate question, most places shopuld be able to give you one if you ask. alot of trial flights are bought through 'experience' comapnies, such as Acorne and Red Letter Days, that have a presentation pack with one included for your instructor to complete.
As for the DIY logbook entries, or the so-called 'parker pen pilots'; in reality nothing is there to stop you except for your integrity. The aviation world is quite a small community and if you turn up for a job with 1000 hours having only just completed your CPL a few months before, your bound to meet up with someone who knows your past, and can deduce that your hours aren't kosher. If you're involved in an incident/accident (which by being a less experienced pilot than you claim to be may be more likely to happen) you may well face criminal charges along the lines of fraud and deception etc.
As for the DIY logbook entries, or the so-called 'parker pen pilots'; in reality nothing is there to stop you except for your integrity. The aviation world is quite a small community and if you turn up for a job with 1000 hours having only just completed your CPL a few months before, your bound to meet up with someone who knows your past, and can deduce that your hours aren't kosher. If you're involved in an incident/accident (which by being a less experienced pilot than you claim to be may be more likely to happen) you may well face criminal charges along the lines of fraud and deception etc.
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Ian_Wannabe spaketh:. . [quote]. .I was wondering if I can claim my 4 hours of trial lessons and put them into my log book as 'training time' . .<hr></blockquote>
and redbug replied
[quote]. .You can log all of your trial lessons, though obviously you need some of the flight details to do this, for example the instructor's name, date, flight length, and aircraft.. .<hr></blockquote>
I was under the impression that you could only log half an hour as a "trial lesson". This is certainly what they do at EGHR, where I train.
The simple solution is to just log the rest as training - for example, my 1 hour trial went down as "Ex. 4a", aka Effects of Controls part 1.
and redbug replied
[quote]. .You can log all of your trial lessons, though obviously you need some of the flight details to do this, for example the instructor's name, date, flight length, and aircraft.. .<hr></blockquote>
I was under the impression that you could only log half an hour as a "trial lesson". This is certainly what they do at EGHR, where I train.
The simple solution is to just log the rest as training - for example, my 1 hour trial went down as "Ex. 4a", aka Effects of Controls part 1.
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Evo7
I haven't done any instructing for a couple of years, but unless something has changed, I can't see a problem with logging as much time as you wish on a trial lesson.. .There may be a maximum amount that the CAA will consider as training towards the PPL, but most people fly more than the legal minimum anyway, and at least it's all hours in the book.
rb.
I haven't done any instructing for a couple of years, but unless something has changed, I can't see a problem with logging as much time as you wish on a trial lesson.. .There may be a maximum amount that the CAA will consider as training towards the PPL, but most people fly more than the legal minimum anyway, and at least it's all hours in the book.
rb.
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redbug
Just passing on what I've been told. I'm guessing, but maybe a "trial lesson" is defined as being half an hour? In any case there is no problem logging the time, because I did - I just logged it as if it was PPL training (which it was, in effect).
Maybe this is another one of those questions like "do you need to pass Air Law to go solo?" . We've had that several times on the Private Flying forum, and nobody has ever given a definitive answer.... <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
All the best
Just passing on what I've been told. I'm guessing, but maybe a "trial lesson" is defined as being half an hour? In any case there is no problem logging the time, because I did - I just logged it as if it was PPL training (which it was, in effect).
Maybe this is another one of those questions like "do you need to pass Air Law to go solo?" . We've had that several times on the Private Flying forum, and nobody has ever given a definitive answer.... <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
All the best
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The is no Maximum time for trial flying lessons, it is simply a lesson at the end of the day. . .The CAA cannot enforce a maximum time as you are actually being taught 'effects of the controls'.
And as for air law the requrement is that the student should have a good knowledge of air law before soloing. Most flying schools though have their own standards and insist on it being passed.
And as for air law the requrement is that the student should have a good knowledge of air law before soloing. Most flying schools though have their own standards and insist on it being passed.
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I suspect the 30 mins is actually considered to be the minimum time which could reasonably be considered to be a 'trial lesson' - anything less would seem rather to be a joyride (aka illegal public transport!).
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As far as 'Parker pen' hours go - yes you CAN do it and get away with it, but people DO get caught, only last year there was an airline pilot up for command with his company got caught having made these entries - result - no job and a prosecution, if he had not done this he may have needed another year to get to where he had been, but in the long term that is not that long and he would still be employed and now in the LH seat. DON'T DO IT!!
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Could you explain, as it seems to me that it is the opposite? As I understand it a trial lesson covers Ex 1 "Aircraft Familiarisation", Ex 2 "Preparation for Flight" and Ex 3 "Air Experience". Of these, only Ex 3 is loggable (the rest are done on the ground as part of the briefing etc.) and surely this is just a joyride?
If you're actually spending significant time in control (rather than just waggling the wings) then you've already moved on to Ex 4a, "Effects of Controls pt. 1" and that should be logged as PPL training, not as a trial lesson?
Not that it matters much <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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Could you explain, as it seems to me that it is the opposite? As I understand it a trial lesson covers Ex 1 "Aircraft Familiarisation", Ex 2 "Preparation for Flight" and Ex 3 "Air Experience". Of these, only Ex 3 is loggable (the rest are done on the ground as part of the briefing etc.) and surely this is just a joyride?
If you're actually spending significant time in control (rather than just waggling the wings) then you've already moved on to Ex 4a, "Effects of Controls pt. 1" and that should be logged as PPL training, not as a trial lesson?
Not that it matters much <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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