Ok to fly with UK (JAA) PPL in the US?
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Ok to fly with UK (JAA) PPL in the US?
To fly privately in the US (single-engine C172 just for fun I mean) is it sufficient to present a UK (JAA) PPL or do you need to get some endorsement, temporary licence etc? Appreciate any pointers from somone who's been through the process if at all possible.
Thanks for any info.
Thanks for any info.
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I had a similar situation 
I already had an FAA PPL issued on the basis of a German LBA PPL. In the pre-JAA days, it was much easier to keep a UK CAA PPL current than the German counterpart, so I did a full UK CAA PPL licence (i.e. not issued on the basis of the German one) and let the German PPL go out currency... Now, my original FAA PPL was valid on condition that my German PPL remained valid, and this was not the case.
When I tried to get a "new" FAA PPL on the basis of my current UK CAA PPL, I was told that it was not possible as I had already been issued with a PPL on the basis of another licence and this could only be done once according to some obscure FAR!
Can anyone can help me out on this one?
I already had an FAA PPL issued on the basis of a German LBA PPL. In the pre-JAA days, it was much easier to keep a UK CAA PPL current than the German counterpart, so I did a full UK CAA PPL licence (i.e. not issued on the basis of the German one) and let the German PPL go out currency... Now, my original FAA PPL was valid on condition that my German PPL remained valid, and this was not the case.
When I tried to get a "new" FAA PPL on the basis of my current UK CAA PPL, I was told that it was not possible as I had already been issued with a PPL on the basis of another licence and this could only be done once according to some obscure FAR!
Can anyone can help me out on this one?
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Yes. I have heard of a similar case. What you have to do is write to the FAA asking to rescind your FAA licence. That wipes the slate clean and you can start again, getting a new FAA licence issued on the basis of your UK PPL (or whatever licence you want to use).
The FAA will probably write to you asking if you are mad, because they think you must be to want to give up your FAA licence.
The FAA will probably write to you asking if you are mad, because they think you must be to want to give up your FAA licence.
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The FAR in question is 61.75. A short and plain english explaination is available through the FAA Web site (www.FAA.gov)or you can go right to <A HREF="http://www.awp.faa.gov/fsdo/foreign.htm" TARGET="_blank">www.awp.faa.gov/fsdo/foreign.htm</A> for the web page. The page is written by the Western Pacific Region flight standards division. Their telephone number in Los ANgeles is 310-725-7200.
Hope this helps
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You will need to go to the Flight Standards District Office (FSDO pronounced FizzDough)
There you can fill out an FAA Form 8710.
Issued on the basis of a Foreign licence, usually takes about 1/2 an hour. If you are going to a flight school to rent they will know where the FSDO is and should also know what to do. You will receive a temp certificate immediately and the "real" one should arrive in about 2-3 months to the address you put on the form.
It will carry all the restrictions of your CAA licence and will not grant you full FAA priveleges. (No night flying unless endorsed and i believe no over the top operations).
Hope this helps
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There you can fill out an FAA Form 8710.
Issued on the basis of a Foreign licence, usually takes about 1/2 an hour. If you are going to a flight school to rent they will know where the FSDO is and should also know what to do. You will receive a temp certificate immediately and the "real" one should arrive in about 2-3 months to the address you put on the form.
It will carry all the restrictions of your CAA licence and will not grant you full FAA priveleges. (No night flying unless endorsed and i believe no over the top operations).
Hope this helps
FYF
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320Driver,
I visited the Seattle FSDO in Sept, proposing to do the same as you. Took my old-style CAA PPL with me and walked out with my Temp Airman's Certificate in 12 mins! That easy! All I needed then was a quick check flight from the organisation from which I was renting.
My FAA PPL arrived two weeks ago, the only endorsement being that my CAA PPL must be valid for the FAA one to be used.
(Had a great time in my rental 172 over Washington state, Vancouver Island and the Coastal ranges, if anyone's interested.....)
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I visited the Seattle FSDO in Sept, proposing to do the same as you. Took my old-style CAA PPL with me and walked out with my Temp Airman's Certificate in 12 mins! That easy! All I needed then was a quick check flight from the organisation from which I was renting.
My FAA PPL arrived two weeks ago, the only endorsement being that my CAA PPL must be valid for the FAA one to be used.
(Had a great time in my rental 172 over Washington state, Vancouver Island and the Coastal ranges, if anyone's interested.....)
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Had an interesting one on one conversation with a guy who works in one of those FSDO's.
Much to my surprise he came up with two nuggets....for the issue of a temporary certificate (and eventual FAA licence) based on a foreign licence EITHER an FAA medical OR the relevant foreign medical needs to be current. He said that you do not eed both, nor do you NEED an FAA medical if your foreign one is current.
Second nugget was that provided you foreign licence was VALID it didn't have to be CURRENT. When asked to explain, he said provided that the foreign licence had not been terminated for any reason, it was still (in FAA terms) a VALID licence - and the TAC issued on the strength of it would become both valid and current when passing the BFR with the rental school.
He said the foreign licence DOES NOT have to be current....just valid.
Much to my surprise he came up with two nuggets....for the issue of a temporary certificate (and eventual FAA licence) based on a foreign licence EITHER an FAA medical OR the relevant foreign medical needs to be current. He said that you do not eed both, nor do you NEED an FAA medical if your foreign one is current.
Second nugget was that provided you foreign licence was VALID it didn't have to be CURRENT. When asked to explain, he said provided that the foreign licence had not been terminated for any reason, it was still (in FAA terms) a VALID licence - and the TAC issued on the strength of it would become both valid and current when passing the BFR with the rental school.
He said the foreign licence DOES NOT have to be current....just valid.
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Avoiding Action; "All I needed then was a quick check flight from the organisation from which I was renting"
- you did mean "BFR" rather than "checkflight", didn't you...? You NEEDED to get a signed up BFR in your logbook after the Temp Cert issue.
(I smell another 3 pages yet on this topic)
- you did mean "BFR" rather than "checkflight", didn't you...? You NEEDED to get a signed up BFR in your logbook after the Temp Cert issue.
(I smell another 3 pages yet on this topic)
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The Flying I is quite correct in asserting that a BFR is a legal requirement. It is surprising, however, that many FBOs are not aware of this and a huge number of Brits happily take-off without having done a BFR. I suspect that the insurers may not be impressed in the event of a claim!
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Ian Seager
No, I have done my FAA 2 years ago in Orlando and they wanted to see FAA Medical. I had my CAA with me but they were not interested. I fly an 'N' Reg. and was told by an instructor that I need to have FAA medical in order to fly it legally outside the UK. From all the other replies it seems that not many know the real requirments. Will you run an article about it? By the way, I am sure that you remember the Pilot v. Flyer thread. I was not one of your supporters, ... I have bought the Dec. issue of Flyer and it was much better than at the past and I did enjoy reading it. There is still room for improvement but even Rome was not built in one day.
The Flying I
To the best of my knowledge the answer is NO. There is a guy in Germany that can do it, but there is another way.
I know that one of the top men in the FAA came over and issue FAA PPL here. All that you/we need is to pay $65 for the paperwork and min. number of interested people should be 10. He also can carry out the bi-annual, initial CPL/IR tests etc.
No, I have done my FAA 2 years ago in Orlando and they wanted to see FAA Medical. I had my CAA with me but they were not interested. I fly an 'N' Reg. and was told by an instructor that I need to have FAA medical in order to fly it legally outside the UK. From all the other replies it seems that not many know the real requirments. Will you run an article about it? By the way, I am sure that you remember the Pilot v. Flyer thread. I was not one of your supporters, ... I have bought the Dec. issue of Flyer and it was much better than at the past and I did enjoy reading it. There is still room for improvement but even Rome was not built in one day.
The Flying I
To the best of my knowledge the answer is NO. There is a guy in Germany that can do it, but there is another way.
I know that one of the top men in the FAA came over and issue FAA PPL here. All that you/we need is to pay $65 for the paperwork and min. number of interested people should be 10. He also can carry out the bi-annual, initial CPL/IR tests etc.
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I have a current copy of the all American book on my shelf...the FAR AIM.
I was directed to page 60. Regulation 61.75 says that a pilot with a foreign licence may receive a temporary certficate from FSDO and fly N reg aircraft provided they hold a "current medical certficate issued under part 67 of [the FAR's]or a current medical certficate issued by the country that issued the persons foreign licence".
It goes on to say that if they hold a genuine FAA licence..issued in accordance with an FAA flight test (not a back scratch deal) then this either/or situation is not applicable and a genuine FAA medical must be held.
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I was directed to page 60. Regulation 61.75 says that a pilot with a foreign licence may receive a temporary certficate from FSDO and fly N reg aircraft provided they hold a "current medical certficate issued under part 67 of [the FAR's]or a current medical certficate issued by the country that issued the persons foreign licence".
It goes on to say that if they hold a genuine FAA licence..issued in accordance with an FAA flight test (not a back scratch deal) then this either/or situation is not applicable and a genuine FAA medical must be held.
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AC-DC Thanks for your comments, I'm glad you enjoyed reading the December issue. I was thinking about the FAA licence issued on the basis of a CAA licence (Or I guess any other JAA licence) - for that you would only need a CAA/JAA medical. For the full unrestricted FAA licence you would of course need an FAA medical as you say.
Ian
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Got my FAA certificate at the FSDO in Columbia, SC in 25 minutes, no fee, on the strength of Canadian PPL & medical. Their policy is to issue a certificate to any holder of an ICAO licence- which means that a Recreational Pilot Permit (Canada) or the new 32-hour licence from the UK won't do it. FSDOs are located in most (if not all) state capitals. I got the info I needed at the <A HREF="http://www.faa.gov" TARGET="_blank">FAA website.</A>
