Super New UK RT Phraseology
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Super New UK RT Phraseology
Don't you feel grateful to the UK CAA for changing from those old obscure RT terms - Flight Information, Radar Information and Radar Advisory - to the wonderfully clear and innovatory Basic, Traffic, DECONFLICTION and Procedural?
With these changes nearly one year old now, could the CAA publish an analysis of the costs of the change and the wonderful increase in safety we now enjoy because of them?
And how many jobs have been saved at the CAA by all the labour involved in bringing about these changes?
With these changes nearly one year old now, could the CAA publish an analysis of the costs of the change and the wonderful increase in safety we now enjoy because of them?
And how many jobs have been saved at the CAA by all the labour involved in bringing about these changes?
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The stupidity of the name changes were well publicised before they even took place. In my view changing internationally recognised terms actually detracts from safety and does not add to it. However, apparently the CAA felt they needed to be seen to be doing something (anything) about the perceived (ie compulsorily reported) increase in infringements and the resultant perceived increased threat of collisions as a result of it. I can only imagine that the thinking was that the publicity generated would result in more widespread responsible use of traffic avoidance options but I have no idea how this thinking was arrived at.
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I must say, I'm in agreement with the previous two posts, and even now it feels 'odd' requesting a traffic service where I would have normally requested a RIS, or a basic service as opposed to a FIS etc... I know it's not strictly speaking the same, but... oh, errr, yes it is really!
Personally I don't see the need to fix something that's not broken, and to extend on one of the points above, there's an additional safety issue (in my view) that this introduces - it's all dry and fine that all us with CAA issued pilot's licences had a handy CD drop through our doors, but what about the thousands of foreign GA pilots who fly into the UK every year? I'm sure it's quite plausible that many, especially operating out of the smaller strips overseas, are used to the older system and are completely unaware of the new operating regime. Yes, they should be having a good look through the UK AIP before coming over, but let's be honest, how many times do you really read the overseas equivilant cover to cover before each and every trip abroad?!
I guess there's no point moaning, it's here to stay, but what's next?
Beginner's service, Orientation service and Anti-crash service?!
Personally I don't see the need to fix something that's not broken, and to extend on one of the points above, there's an additional safety issue (in my view) that this introduces - it's all dry and fine that all us with CAA issued pilot's licences had a handy CD drop through our doors, but what about the thousands of foreign GA pilots who fly into the UK every year? I'm sure it's quite plausible that many, especially operating out of the smaller strips overseas, are used to the older system and are completely unaware of the new operating regime. Yes, they should be having a good look through the UK AIP before coming over, but let's be honest, how many times do you really read the overseas equivilant cover to cover before each and every trip abroad?!
I guess there's no point moaning, it's here to stay, but what's next?
Beginner's service, Orientation service and Anti-crash service?!
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Well my understanding is that it is here to stay - until the European airspace classification is changed and the CAA will not be able to twiddle with things just becasue they can.
Along with the new classes of airspace one would presume there will be new 'service levels' - but at least they will be common across Europe (although given the EU's usual approach not anywhere else...).
Is it just my perception but the number of times I actually get a 'traffic' service seems substantially less than a RIS? In other words there is less 'service' available as a direct result of these changes?
Along with the new classes of airspace one would presume there will be new 'service levels' - but at least they will be common across Europe (although given the EU's usual approach not anywhere else...).
Is it just my perception but the number of times I actually get a 'traffic' service seems substantially less than a RIS? In other words there is less 'service' available as a direct result of these changes?
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There was minor changes which brought military and civil into line which was a good thing. I initially did not understand why a name change was necessary but after all the posts on here and other forums it was clear that a large number of pilots did not understand the old system.
Perhaps the enforced re-learning was also a good thing. Can we change back now please?
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Perhaps the enforced re-learning was also a good thing. Can we change back now please?
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Would they not of brought the military into line with civil? At least that way it's much easier to insure military personnel are retrained and it reduces the problems for foreign GA pilots?
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It gets me in a twiddle when I chat to Shannon and then Belfast.... The amount of times I have asked Shannon for a Basic service and Belfast for a FIS...!!...starting to get used now to it !.... can't for the life of me see the reason for this stupid absurd name change.
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It was all led by EASA and the CAA were forced into it to bring them into line with the rest of Europe and as part of the scheme to rationalise Mil procedures with Civil ones in both the UK and elsewhere.
Personally I can't see what all the fuss is about, it works well and there doesn't seem to be any justifcation whatsoever in complaining a year after it was implemented (and nearly two years after the consultation process was held when you could have complained..).
Personally I can't see what all the fuss is about, it works well and there doesn't seem to be any justifcation whatsoever in complaining a year after it was implemented (and nearly two years after the consultation process was held when you could have complained..).
Another common one is pilots requesting CONfliction Service or Traffic Information Service (which did exist at one time before it was quickly re-named Radar Information Service, which aptly described it!!!)
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trouble is that if you ask for a basic service thats what you get especially with farnbrough north.
it not the best in the world if your at the extreme end of their coverage and the controller has a heavy work load.
but thats progress!!!!!
it not the best in the world if your at the extreme end of their coverage and the controller has a heavy work load.
but thats progress!!!!!
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It was all led by EASA and the CAA were forced into it to bring them into line with the rest of Europe and as part of the scheme to rationalise Mil procedures with Civil ones in both the UK and elsewhere.
....do you have any references??
The ATSOCAS review was, in fact, a response to AAIB and AIRPROX reports, as well as feedback from CAA Safety Evenings. It also presented an opportunity to improve alignment between civil and military procedures, although this was not of itself a reason for initiating the review.
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Leader 3; I'm not entirely sure what your point is with "trouble is that if you ask for a basic service thats what you get". If you've asked for a Basic Service then that is what you will get; the whole point of the new services is that you ask for what you want.
In fact controllers are specifically forbidden to give a higher level of service than what is requested.
In fact controllers are specifically forbidden to give a higher level of service than what is requested.