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Disley calls himself a business man. Well, from what I have read in the FTN letter he knows as little about business as he does about aviation, something at least which he admits to and probably the only fact. So why buy a flying school or three and mess it up for everyone, not least for himself? This guy must employ some real plonkers as advisors, the same plonkers no doubt responsible for the ruin of his businesses and botched sale. The treatment of customers and staff are not the actions of a true busnessman. Please do not give us this big sob story and blaming everyone else.
To paraphrase "to lose one Flying School is misfortunate, to lose three is simply careless".
Oscar W
To paraphrase "to lose one Flying School is misfortunate, to lose three is simply careless".
Oscar W
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That statement by Disley was cringeworthy! A good business man would have done his homework before blindly and incompetently entering into the industry. Insead he saw an opportunity to try and make a quick buck and be the next Stelios at the cost of everyone else. When he found that he really didn't have a clue and failed he blames everyone else in the industry - how unprofessional. There are plenty of good businessmen who have entered aviation successfully but have a good business nous - Richard Branson being one but he is what you might call a business man and not a 'crook'. Past history precedes Disley's name and I doubt anyone would touch him with a barge pole now.
Worst of all, no matter what happened Disley failed to pay his staff, despite CFS being solvent and Disley having the cash to pay them. So if the CFS was making money and had no debts, why did he not pay his employees? Basically he milked it, let his staff work for free out of their own goodwill and binned it off. I understand the issues with Northern Aviation and I can imagine he took on more than he could chew but it was a mistake of his also and he must accept that instead of blaming others. Anyway its gone now and hopefully the new school will do well and good luck to them!
Worst of all, no matter what happened Disley failed to pay his staff, despite CFS being solvent and Disley having the cash to pay them. So if the CFS was making money and had no debts, why did he not pay his employees? Basically he milked it, let his staff work for free out of their own goodwill and binned it off. I understand the issues with Northern Aviation and I can imagine he took on more than he could chew but it was a mistake of his also and he must accept that instead of blaming others. Anyway its gone now and hopefully the new school will do well and good luck to them!
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Is there an "honest people in aviation thread" elsewhere on this forum? Probably did not run for that long!
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CFS Staff paid.
CFS staff who's conduct and therefore pay was not in dispute have all been paid. Those who have not been paid know why and have been formally informed in writing. If they are exonerated then as with the others I'm sure they will be paid but looking at what I've seen if they worked for me I would have cut them loose on the grounds of gross misconduct I'm afraid, irrispective of the reasons or pressure they were under at the time.
Walter Mitty's attempt to buy the school and aircraft fooled everyone and he's apparently done this before, haven't you Mr. Rathbone! With several schools!
I was there as a safty pilot along for a jaunt to DTV when in the CFS club Mark said to the sellers he wanted to pay the staff and the money would be deducted from the sale proceeds to give him a respect boost and lift moral at the time. Ask the Bar manager who also witnessed this conversation with Rathbone. Once the present owners realised he was a mirage the staff were paid in full, apart from the ones who backed the wrong horse prematurely and took it upon themselves to do things that were just silly.
The guys who are selling the assets are helping above and beyond, I have seen the miles they are doing to get things up and running again and bills paid off!
Ask the people on site who are still there and I am sure they will only speak well of one guy in particular who was always respected when he was involved at CFS and since coming back to impartially sort out the remaining problems has worked wonders to raise cash and pay off many GA creditors.
But hey I'm sure they are some back shooters that have a load of negative stuff to say about his efforts.
Frankly I would not have re-involved myself, but he has.
Good on ya for not like a lot did and still expected to be paid! LOL!
CM.
Ps. Range rover gone Almost new DB9, (yes almost) from Santa and the sweat and efforts of the crew who fly for me because they love me because I sometimes pay them, even though some of them know and admit to being naughty boys and girls when at school and less than degree educated!
It doesn't take a genious to fly a commercial aircraft well, just a good pilot.
Your really not in the same ranks as Doctors, Barristers and Architects so don't pretend you are. Globespans gone bust, who we blaming for that???? Disley lofl!
God even I got a CPL/IR in under a year!
LONG LIVE THE HAVE A GO ENTREPRENEUR AND MAY MANY MORE BRING NEW MONEY TO OUR BELEAGUERED INDUSTRY !
VIVA THE REVOLOUTION!
Happy New Year.
CM.
Walter Mitty's attempt to buy the school and aircraft fooled everyone and he's apparently done this before, haven't you Mr. Rathbone! With several schools!
I was there as a safty pilot along for a jaunt to DTV when in the CFS club Mark said to the sellers he wanted to pay the staff and the money would be deducted from the sale proceeds to give him a respect boost and lift moral at the time. Ask the Bar manager who also witnessed this conversation with Rathbone. Once the present owners realised he was a mirage the staff were paid in full, apart from the ones who backed the wrong horse prematurely and took it upon themselves to do things that were just silly.
The guys who are selling the assets are helping above and beyond, I have seen the miles they are doing to get things up and running again and bills paid off!
Ask the people on site who are still there and I am sure they will only speak well of one guy in particular who was always respected when he was involved at CFS and since coming back to impartially sort out the remaining problems has worked wonders to raise cash and pay off many GA creditors.
But hey I'm sure they are some back shooters that have a load of negative stuff to say about his efforts.
Frankly I would not have re-involved myself, but he has.
Good on ya for not like a lot did and still expected to be paid! LOL!
CM.
Ps. Range rover gone Almost new DB9, (yes almost) from Santa and the sweat and efforts of the crew who fly for me because they love me because I sometimes pay them, even though some of them know and admit to being naughty boys and girls when at school and less than degree educated!
It doesn't take a genious to fly a commercial aircraft well, just a good pilot.
Your really not in the same ranks as Doctors, Barristers and Architects so don't pretend you are. Globespans gone bust, who we blaming for that???? Disley lofl!
God even I got a CPL/IR in under a year!
LONG LIVE THE HAVE A GO ENTREPRENEUR AND MAY MANY MORE BRING NEW MONEY TO OUR BELEAGUERED INDUSTRY !
VIVA THE REVOLOUTION!
Happy New Year.
CM.
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ROMOURS!
1. The man chased around EGNH was a well known character based at Flight Academy and it was Customs who were doing the chasing.
2. The ramming did occur and was perpitrated a certain young man who has now been banned from driving.
A flight training provider at EGNH who's property was the victim of the ramming had his horse box and Citreon Saxo damaged by the insident. He desided unwisly to block the young mans car in to prevent it leaving the airport grounds whilst the bailiffs came and took the car away for debts owed to said flight trainer by the afore mentioned young man. Young man had other Ideas and shunted blockade late at night.
NOTHING TO DO WITH DISLEY, FLOATER NORTHWEST!
Floater Indeed!
2. The ramming did occur and was perpitrated a certain young man who has now been banned from driving.
A flight training provider at EGNH who's property was the victim of the ramming had his horse box and Citreon Saxo damaged by the insident. He desided unwisly to block the young mans car in to prevent it leaving the airport grounds whilst the bailiffs came and took the car away for debts owed to said flight trainer by the afore mentioned young man. Young man had other Ideas and shunted blockade late at night.
NOTHING TO DO WITH DISLEY, FLOATER NORTHWEST!
Floater Indeed!
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Still haven't spent any money on learning to spell or to even write coherently. (Look it up in the dictionary if you don't know what that means, you know, that thick book with lots of words in alphabetical order.)
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So 5 pages after raising the subject, I am now told that Flyteam was operated as a franchise and had little to do with Disley Aviation. Does anyone know the name, address and telephone number of the franchisee or is that a secret?
crewmuncher,
I was passing on information I received. I live and work in the northwest and I know of other non-aviation dealings that Mr Disley is involved in......he isn't innocent and he isn't nice but he is very clever.
Check my previous posts to build up a history of who I am and what I do. I don't float anymore but I do get around abit!!
Whats the "R" in PPRUNE?
FNW
I was passing on information I received. I live and work in the northwest and I know of other non-aviation dealings that Mr Disley is involved in......he isn't innocent and he isn't nice but he is very clever.
Check my previous posts to build up a history of who I am and what I do. I don't float anymore but I do get around abit!!
Whats the "R" in PPRUNE?
FNW
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Floater NW As your a local chap would you like to know the identitys of some of the posters on the thread ???
There is only 1 " Walter Mitty " in this thread CM
Mach .76
Floater NW As your a local chap would you like to know the identitys of some of the posters on the thread ???
There is only 1 " Walter Mitty " in this thread CM
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Im struggling to see what " Mach .76 is getting at but hey ....
To be honest i can see where some people are coming from such as former flyteam/cfs customers but nearly all of the posters on this thread have had little or nothing at all to do with FT/CFS or Disley aviation. Maybe its just bad timing for DA to start in the aviation industry or it just didnt have the full support of its staff. Before you all start saying "you know more than your letting on" your correct as i do know quite alot about CFS,Flyteam and DA and as i am no longer involved with any of the said companys i still remain loyal to JD as a friend and businesman.
Karl 414 AC
To be honest i can see where some people are coming from such as former flyteam/cfs customers but nearly all of the posters on this thread have had little or nothing at all to do with FT/CFS or Disley aviation. Maybe its just bad timing for DA to start in the aviation industry or it just didnt have the full support of its staff. Before you all start saying "you know more than your letting on" your correct as i do know quite alot about CFS,Flyteam and DA and as i am no longer involved with any of the said companys i still remain loyal to JD as a friend and businesman.
Karl 414 AC
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The statements from CM and Disley speak for themselves as testimony to the type of people we are dealing with here and nothing can change that fact now. The only consilation to customers, staff and suppliers who have lost money or given there misguided loyalty to these people is that CM and JD amongst others have turned themselves in laughing jokes and objects of ridicule, a stain on thier characters which they can not erase. We will still be here when they have all long gone to some other industry to repeat the process of asset stripping, and anyone associated with them will have also lost all credibility with the GA community. If CM thinks he, sorry I mean the mystery man, wants to keep the the "respect" of GA people that he thinks he commands then he should look again at his role in the shamefull episode and change his ways before it is too late.
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Maybe its just bad timing for DA to start in the aviation industry or it just didnt have the full support of its staff. Before you all start saying "you know more than your letting on" your correct as i do know quite alot about CFS,Flyteam and DA and as i am no longer involved with any of the said companys i still remain loyal to JD as a friend and businesman.
Karl 414 AC
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I am fully aware that car lifts have nothing to do with flight training lol. As regards to them passing thru elstree is a convienient meeting place for Disley staff from the north to meet disley south from the south.
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Hey Karl414AC, why dont you give up your support for a people that think nothing of lying to get themselves out of a hole at the expense of others. Says nothing for your credibility. Are you related to Disley? Latest lie is saying in a local Cleveland newspaper article that Cleveland Flying School is reopening and that customers with money on account should call in next week and continue their training! How are they going to do that with no aircraft since I have heard that the fleet has now been sold to someone in Newcastle. Cannot see his old staff or instructors having anything to do with an employer that slags them off and does not pay them. Its almost worth flying over just to be a witness at this latest miracle from the Disley Team
Maybe they are going to call it the Lazarus School of Flying!
Maybe they are going to call it the Lazarus School of Flying!