Filming flying lessons?
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Yes. I seem to remember that lordmontague actually posted two or three posts in this thread which infuriated some people a bit (well, me at least). Glad I quoted the worst parts, otherwise I would be seen as a raving lunatic!
(Which I am, but that's beside the point.)
(Which I am, but that's beside the point.)
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I've done filming with sounds too.
It is damned hard to find a small (bullet-type) camera which is of reasonable quality. I bought a Sony one for about £150 and it was barely acceptable for a u-tube video. There is a better Sony one for about £750 but I haven't yet got around to getting to try it.
A camcorder will be much better quality and those suction mounts (thanks for the URL!) should work great, but on a long flight you will run out of tape / storage and then the camera stops. I am not aware of a consumer camcorder which can be used minus the media but with a video output i.e. effectively as a high quality webcam.
The last movie I did used a analog to RGB (USB2.0) converter for about £50 which was actually of very high quality (I tested it with my Sony HD cam to make sure).
The sound is easily done by tucking a mike into one's headset, though wiring it to a headset mike plug is a lot neater (does anyone have a circuit for this?? - I believe one needs to attenuate the signal a bit).
Getting rid of reflections ranges from tricky to very tricky. The proper solution - for external scenery movies; not what the OP here is after - is to mount the camera externally but that is then not exactly legal, and does need to be done very carefully because you don't want it to come off and e.g. jam in the elevator...
If anyone is interested I can supply details of what I used, and the URL to the movie. The camera came from dogcamsport.co.uk I think and for all I know I may have listed all the kit here at some time in the past.
It is damned hard to find a small (bullet-type) camera which is of reasonable quality. I bought a Sony one for about £150 and it was barely acceptable for a u-tube video. There is a better Sony one for about £750 but I haven't yet got around to getting to try it.
A camcorder will be much better quality and those suction mounts (thanks for the URL!) should work great, but on a long flight you will run out of tape / storage and then the camera stops. I am not aware of a consumer camcorder which can be used minus the media but with a video output i.e. effectively as a high quality webcam.
The last movie I did used a analog to RGB (USB2.0) converter for about £50 which was actually of very high quality (I tested it with my Sony HD cam to make sure).
The sound is easily done by tucking a mike into one's headset, though wiring it to a headset mike plug is a lot neater (does anyone have a circuit for this?? - I believe one needs to attenuate the signal a bit).
Getting rid of reflections ranges from tricky to very tricky. The proper solution - for external scenery movies; not what the OP here is after - is to mount the camera externally but that is then not exactly legal, and does need to be done very carefully because you don't want it to come off and e.g. jam in the elevator...
If anyone is interested I can supply details of what I used, and the URL to the movie. The camera came from dogcamsport.co.uk I think and for all I know I may have listed all the kit here at some time in the past.
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Yes iI have been following the thread & have noticed that LM's comments have been pulled....something dark is happening ??? Big brother.??..I am looking over my shoulder as i am typing 
. He did have valid points to make as I think Gorrilla has shown in his post. Yes i think bullet type cameras are the answer & there are solid state recorders out there that are small & probably can do the job but I would really question whether it is worth all the hassle. A hand held camera to record clips as and when it is not detracting from the learning to fly bit is probably the answer. There is enough pressure learning to fly let alone filming it at the same time. What are your thoughts Hightower ?
. He did have valid points to make as I think Gorrilla has shown in his post. Yes i think bullet type cameras are the answer & there are solid state recorders out there that are small & probably can do the job but I would really question whether it is worth all the hassle. A hand held camera to record clips as and when it is not detracting from the learning to fly bit is probably the answer. There is enough pressure learning to fly let alone filming it at the same time. What are your thoughts Hightower ?
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though wiring it to a headset mike plug is a lot neater (does anyone have a circuit for this?? - I believe one needs to attenuate the signal a bit).
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I would imagine not too many instructors will be keen to have you film every lesson. Logistics of setting up aside, they'll be opening themselves up to all sorts of possible scrutiny from peers should it find its way onto youtube. I personally would happily accept the challenge however, we had this discussion amongst us instructors recently and I was a minority of one out of nine. The main objection was the distraction aspect, because there's bound to be some even if it's pre-flight... I guess they have a point really because once at the airfield your attention should be firmly on the objectives of your lesson and not worrying about what camera angle you're going to get etc... but if someone else took care of that leaving you, the student, to concentrate on your lesson I personally wouldn't mind.
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I can't imagine many instructors going for this, looking at how much stuff ends up on u-tube etc.
With a trusted student or a friend it would be fine. Or perhaps the odd flight, but the whole PPL? I doubt it. Also 99% of the footage would be utterly boring - I can vouch for that from my flights. I often video really spectacular bits like bits of a flight across the Alps; they are good for trip reports. But from inside the cockpit? Not a lot to see there.
With a trusted student or a friend it would be fine. Or perhaps the odd flight, but the whole PPL? I doubt it. Also 99% of the footage would be utterly boring - I can vouch for that from my flights. I often video really spectacular bits like bits of a flight across the Alps; they are good for trip reports. But from inside the cockpit? Not a lot to see there.
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well thanks for all the comments everyone didnt see Lm's comments were removed, sorry were we mean!?
I was only really wanting to film a few bits of my flying, first solo, yeah sure ill have enough to worry about was just if there was a good way to quickly pop up a camera, the rest of the filming would be me, hour building etc, landings, circuits just to review and for friends and family to see, im obviously not just going to wack a camera in and say im filming tough! its down to my instructor and the CFI, just was after the ideas on how, thanks for the comments and its always good to see people having a good debate, apart from extreme comments, not naming names, (SEE ABOVE)
I was only really wanting to film a few bits of my flying, first solo, yeah sure ill have enough to worry about was just if there was a good way to quickly pop up a camera, the rest of the filming would be me, hour building etc, landings, circuits just to review and for friends and family to see, im obviously not just going to wack a camera in and say im filming tough! its down to my instructor and the CFI, just was after the ideas on how, thanks for the comments and its always good to see people having a good debate, apart from extreme comments, not naming names, (SEE ABOVE)
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didnt see Lm's comments were removed, sorry were we mean!?
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We were not mean but he was wrong and not decent enough to admit it
Whoever had the hissy fit & hit the button should really take stock of their actions, this stopped him from explaining his position. I must say having seen some other posts elsewhere this was like a transcript from a vicar's tea party.
I understand that he wanted to make it clear that he did not want to upset anybody but felt strongly that a person just embarking on learning to fly should understand that safety & legislation are perhaps the major part of aviation, some good & some very silly rules but we have to constantly be aware & not dismiss them so readilly.
Anyway I have earnt a days Pheasant shooting on his estate by conveying his thoughts. The upshot may be that he will be more civil to his servants now. I am sure he will make a post to confirm this if he is ever allowed back on.
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On that basis, the flying club should be quite happy as the more distractions, the more lessons it will take to get the licence!
It really is a shame that some cynical people think this way about flying clubs. Of course, the really galling aspect of this viewpoint is that nobody will ever say something like this directly to our faces.
If you are interested in the reality of the situation then I will tell you that the vast majority of flying schools and instructors want their students through as quickly as is safely possible because it broadcasts competancy and professionalism which is worth twice as much in terms of business than a few extra hours drawn out of a student through sheer greed. It all comes down to pride. No school or instructor is making vast amounts of money from you, the overheads would shock you. The extra hour here and there is nothing.
I am quite insulted that people may think like you do. Risking my arse everyday, helping you all out in my spare time, flying for pennies... and you think I do it for money? Or that my boss does it for money?
We do it because we love it. Your smile when you pass the skills test is our motivation, not money my friend.
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Ok, I am going to come at this one from both sides.
1 With my instructor hat on, I would love to be able to review and critique my own performance in order to continually improve - well I am in the process of implementing TEM and LOSA in my day job. I also think this would be valuable for most students and would probably serve to reduce training time for those students unable to fly on a regular basis.
2 With my instructor hat on, I would be more than a little wary about the consequences of loose articles in the aircraft - I would want the installation of any article as significant as a normal sized camera to be installed and certified by an engineer, even if this does mean a minor mod.
3 With my day job hat on, I may just suggest in flight cameras as a means of moving forward. Provided flight video can be collated by an impartial 3rd party there is the possibility to glean a lot of data that would otherwise be swept under the carpet at the back of the cranium.
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1 With my instructor hat on, I would love to be able to review and critique my own performance in order to continually improve - well I am in the process of implementing TEM and LOSA in my day job. I also think this would be valuable for most students and would probably serve to reduce training time for those students unable to fly on a regular basis.
2 With my instructor hat on, I would be more than a little wary about the consequences of loose articles in the aircraft - I would want the installation of any article as significant as a normal sized camera to be installed and certified by an engineer, even if this does mean a minor mod.
3 With my day job hat on, I may just suggest in flight cameras as a means of moving forward. Provided flight video can be collated by an impartial 3rd party there is the possibility to glean a lot of data that would otherwise be swept under the carpet at the back of the cranium.
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Someone reported him? certainkly wasnt me, im not that petyy was just a little bemused that he posted what he did as i only wanted a decent answer on how to not why i should or should not etc, like i say im only planning on filming a few bits and also hour building, obviously i would like to think that my instructor wiould have the sense to decide if this was feasible or not!
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Anyway I have earnt a days Pheasant shooting on his estate by conveying his thoughts. The upshot may be that he will be more civil to his servants now.
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More than just LM's comments were removed. I had posted the link to Brady Lane's EAA blog as well, and that disappeared along with LM's posts and, I believe some others. So maybe it was not just a Big Brother thing. Whatever, life goes on.
Anyone seen the latest post on his blog?
Anyone seen the latest post on his blog?
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I have just returned the black labrador & 4 wheel drive drive I borrowed from Lordmontague (thanks Gorilla) & he reckons that he was shot at on the last pheasant shoot of the season...... reckons it was a moderator that recognised him.
He still can't log on & no explanation for it. Don't worry he assures me that he will be back soon & will say hello to all on this thread. He wishes Hightower all the best on his ppl training
Try putting in the word "T R I P O D" I think you will find that this goes straight to the moderator ....weird !
He still can't log on & no explanation for it. Don't worry he assures me that he will be back soon & will say hello to all on this thread. He wishes Hightower all the best on his ppl training
Try putting in the word "T R I P O D" I think you will find that this goes straight to the moderator ....weird !
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Hightower,
The whole website is down for some reason. I'm sure some poor soul will be missing the Super Bowl so they can sort out the website problems... Should be up again soon (or at least as soon as the game is over.....
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The whole website is down for some reason. I'm sure some poor soul will be missing the Super Bowl so they can sort out the website problems... Should be up again soon (or at least as soon as the game is over.....
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I trust that the flying lessons are in a public transport aircraft. By attaching a camera to the aircraft without a CAA or EASA minor mod invalidates the C of A. And no, it can not be classed as baggage. I am surprised that your instructors are allowing you to this sort of dangerous activity.
Weird, I have been using a camcorder for years to record some portions of the training.
I never got any regulator permission for the method I used to have the camcorder in the airplane.
Maybe I am being dangerous and should quit doing this?
I trust that the flying lessons are in a public transport aircraft. By attaching a camera to the aircraft without a CAA or EASA minor mod invalidates the C of A. And no, it can not be classed as baggage. I am surprised that your instructors are allowing you to this sort of dangerous activity.
Weird, I have been using a camcorder for years to record some portions of the training.
I never got any regulator permission for the method I used to have the camcorder in the airplane.
Maybe I am being dangerous and should quit doing this?