accident in austria, flight UK to hungary (?)
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Age: 68
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm afraid so.... or at least intermittent.....
Shows how human we can be.
But it makes sense from the point that he knew the airfield well (it s position in relationship to the little town), so broadly recognizing the environment deciding not to fly the procedure but to take the shortcut for a join downwind.
The information that 13 was in use was unexpected, the visibility insufficient at least on the east of the field towards the mountains, it's called an error of judgement
Not saying I agree with it (far from it), but understanding the line of thought as a mistake one could make
Shows how human we can be.
But it makes sense from the point that he knew the airfield well (it s position in relationship to the little town), so broadly recognizing the environment deciding not to fly the procedure but to take the shortcut for a join downwind.
The information that 13 was in use was unexpected, the visibility insufficient at least on the east of the field towards the mountains, it's called an error of judgement
Not saying I agree with it (far from it), but understanding the line of thought as a mistake one could make
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The real Q is would an FAA CPL/IR/CFII, in a Jetprop with all the gear, be doing that?
With the technical knowledge and equipment available in this case, this accident would have been easily avoidable, either by going to Vienna (5 minutes' flying time away) or, if you really must, by flying an illegal but highly accurate and safe DIY instrument approach to LOAV.
But who knows the answer. I know what I would have done.
With the technical knowledge and equipment available in this case, this accident would have been easily avoidable, either by going to Vienna (5 minutes' flying time away) or, if you really must, by flying an illegal but highly accurate and safe DIY instrument approach to LOAV.
But who knows the answer. I know what I would have done.
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Age: 68
Posts: 1,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ouch IO that's a harsh statement.....
I m quite sure many of the IR pilots who've crashed over the years thought of themselves as diligent pilots who would not make mistakes such as the ones they read about on forums and in other publications, yet they crashed.....
The one thing we cannot change is our humanity, and therefore the realization that we can only limit the risks of making a human mistake, never take it away.
It's what brings me here and keep me humble
In your analysis of course you are quite right, although you keep maintaining the impression it was in full IMC, but i seem to remember from postings here (one being the NTSB but if memory serves me right also fluglehrer) that there was at least some visibility.
A partial visibility as opposed to full blown IMC would explain the mistake more than a full blown IMC.
I m quite sure many of the IR pilots who've crashed over the years thought of themselves as diligent pilots who would not make mistakes such as the ones they read about on forums and in other publications, yet they crashed.....
The one thing we cannot change is our humanity, and therefore the realization that we can only limit the risks of making a human mistake, never take it away.
It's what brings me here and keep me humble
In your analysis of course you are quite right, although you keep maintaining the impression it was in full IMC, but i seem to remember from postings here (one being the NTSB but if memory serves me right also fluglehrer) that there was at least some visibility.
A partial visibility as opposed to full blown IMC would explain the mistake more than a full blown IMC.
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: EuroGA.org
Posts: 13,787
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I cannot disagree with you, VH.
But at least "we" can learn from this, to the extent possible without knowing very much, and perhaps say to ourselves that if we find ourselves in this kind of situation we don't do something similar.
But at least "we" can learn from this, to the extent possible without knowing very much, and perhaps say to ourselves that if we find ourselves in this kind of situation we don't do something similar.
