CAA Director Airspace policy - £170 000 + bonus
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Please don't this as being rude, but where are you from or specifically which planet!
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You are mistaken about SRG down at Gatport Airwick, where Blue has been almost completely erased.
Not many AAC chaps in the flying posts though......
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Astrid....
[B]Answer - I'm from Wales specifically Llangollen - now let's hear you pronounce that![/
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With ease, spent a lot of time in the area, used to have my kayaks built by Nomad who were in the warehouse building down the side of the river.
The CAA does not fit that description which is why I pulled you on it. PPruneRadar saved me the hassle of doing the job for you and looking it up....
Flaxman, thanks for the recognition of my status.....
[B]Answer - I'm from Wales specifically Llangollen - now let's hear you pronounce that
Ok, like I said, you're doing well and I'm sure you're worth it ... But how about you try not to rub our noses in it eh?
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Great, you're a big earner, and good for you! Yep, there are jobs out there that attract huge salaries, but please, please don't insult us with all this bull****e about such high earners being so because they are "highly motivated" or "go the extra mile". They may very well be, but many of us do just that, but earn far more, (dare I say?) normal wages! I work in excess of 80 hours per week, and do my job to the very best of my ability. I've won prizes for my business and have improved profitability in a time that many are fleeing the industry. What do I do? I'm a farm manager. I have a degree, work bloody hard, and I'm pretty sure I'm at the top of my game. However, farming will never pay the kind of money you'd even consider. So what should we all do? Quit these sort of jobs and become the elite "essential" earners you so defend? Sorry, but in my book we're all essential and should not be considered any less motivated just because we don't aspire to your wage level
Ok, like I said, you're doing well and I'm sure you're worth it ... But how about you try not to rub our noses in it eh?
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Great, you're a big earner, and good for you! Yep, there are jobs out there that attract huge salaries, but please, please don't insult us with all this bull****e about such high earners being so because they are "highly motivated" or "go the extra mile". They may very well be, but many of us do just that, but earn far more, (dare I say?) normal wages! I work in excess of 80 hours per week, and do my job to the very best of my ability. I've won prizes for my business and have improved profitability in a time that many are fleeing the industry. What do I do? I'm a farm manager. I have a degree, work bloody hard, and I'm pretty sure I'm at the top of my game. However, farming will never pay the kind of money you'd even consider. So what should we all do? Quit these sort of jobs and become the elite "essential" earners you so defend? Sorry, but in my book we're all essential and should not be considered any less motivated just because we don't aspire to your wage level
Ok, like I said, you're doing well and I'm sure you're worth it ... But how about you try not to rub our noses in it eh?
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Great, you're a big earner, and good for you! Yep, there are jobs out there that attract huge salaries, but please, please don't insult us with all this bull****e about such high earners being so because they are "highly motivated" or "go the extra mile". They may very well be, but many of us do just that, but earn far more, (dare I say?) normal wages! I work in excess of 80 hours per week, and do my job to the very best of my ability. I've won prizes for my business and have improved profitability in a time that many are fleeing the industry. What do I do? I'm a farm manager. I have a degree, work bloody hard, and I'm pretty sure I'm at the top of my game. However, farming will never pay the kind of money you'd even consider. So what should we all do? Quit these sort of jobs and become the elite "essential" earners you so defend? Sorry, but in my book we're all essential and should not be considered any less motivated just because we don't aspire to your wage level
Ok, like I said, you're doing well and I'm sure you're worth it ... But how about you try not to rub our noses in it eh?
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But as usual it comes down to mud slinging. So go plough your field or whatever it is that keeps you happy. Out of interest who paid for your degree, mummy and daddy send you to that nice little farming university so you could learn all about land management? A few beers and some shagging whle you studied 'full time'? Before you insult me at least do me the courtesy of asking about my background and where my education came from.
I never suggested anyone quit any job, nor that anyone should change their career. All I did was try and explain to the mud slingers the logic behind the packages that these organisations offer. If you are happy working 80hrs a week for whatever remuneration you get then good on you. I would kill to have people with your work ethic.
You know **** all about me but think it perfectly acceptable to have a pop and read things into my posts that fit your own sense of inadequacy. NOWHERE have I derided or insulted anyone that does not earn a huge salary.
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Originally Posted by Bose X
You know what, I don't give a toss. I tried to bring some balance to the reason why these jobs are paid they way they are. I frankly don't care about your education or your chosen career and whether it is well paid or not. It was not my intention to rub anyones nose in anything, if you feel so inferior that you perceived it that way then tough luck.
But as usual it comes down to mud slinging. So go plough your field or whatever it is that keeps you happy. Out of interest who paid for your degree, mummy and daddy send you to that nice little farming university so you could learn all about land management? A few beers and some shagging whle you studied 'full time'? Before you insult me at least do me the courtesy of asking about my background and where my education came from.
I never suggested anyone quit any job, nor that anyone should change their career. All I did was try and explain to the mud slingers the logic behind the packages that these organisations offer. If you are happy working 80hrs a week for whatever remuneration you get then good on you. I would kill to have people with your work ethic.
You know **** all about me but think it perfectly acceptable to have a pop and read things into my posts that fit your own sense of inadequacy. NOWHERE have I derided or insulted anyone that does not earn a huge salary.
But as usual it comes down to mud slinging. So go plough your field or whatever it is that keeps you happy. Out of interest who paid for your degree, mummy and daddy send you to that nice little farming university so you could learn all about land management? A few beers and some shagging whle you studied 'full time'? Before you insult me at least do me the courtesy of asking about my background and where my education came from.
I never suggested anyone quit any job, nor that anyone should change their career. All I did was try and explain to the mud slingers the logic behind the packages that these organisations offer. If you are happy working 80hrs a week for whatever remuneration you get then good on you. I would kill to have people with your work ethic.
You know **** all about me but think it perfectly acceptable to have a pop and read things into my posts that fit your own sense of inadequacy. NOWHERE have I derided or insulted anyone that does not earn a huge salary.
You need to relax mate. You're on the verge of being seen as....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2FhFi0FZ9Y
But more importantly, this little beauty...
Originally Posted by Bose X
But you will find it is the highly motivated, highly capable individuals who are prepared to go the extra mile and reach high standards.
This thread isn't about you...or what you earn. Its about what the CAA are paying themselves, and what they do for the money. Frankly, if there was an opportunity for me to start Honest Ed's Airspace Ltd, and provide a high-quality bespoke airspace service to high-quality clients such as yourself, in competition with the CAA, at half the price, then fair enough. But what we're seeing is an ineffective monopoly taking the piss with 'executive' salaries for equally ineffective time-servers. They have to advertise the post by law, but if it goes to someone not already in the Belgrano I'll eat my Gentex.
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This thread isn't about you...or what you earn. Its about what the CAA are paying themselves, and what they do for the money. Frankly, if there was an opportunity for me to start Honest Ed's Airspace Ltd, and provide a high-quality bespoke airspace service to high-quality clients such as yourself, in competition with the CAA, at half the price, then fair enough. But what we're seeing is an ineffective monopoly taking the piss with 'executive' salaries for equally ineffective time-servers. They have to advertise the post by law, but if it goes to someone not already in the Belgrano I'll eat my Gentex.
Whether we end up getting a candidate that proves to be value for money is a different matter.
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Bose,
If you read my post again you will see that I wasn't mud slinging or insulting toward you or the salary you earn. As I said, that's good for you and as I also said, I'm sure you're worth it. What I took exception to, was the way you implied that all these high earners are there because they have the kind of motivation and hard work ethic that sets them above the rest of us. IMHO THAT is the bit of what you say that is tter ( B.... ok I'll modify my comment a bit) .... rubbish!
Just as I have no idea about your background, you have no idea of mine. However, you are clearly happy to make the same assumptions you accuse me of
Although you disguise it behind a question, you imply Mummy and Daddy payed for me to go to college? As it happens, my father was a lobster fisherman and earned enough to get by, but certainly not enough to pay my way. I've done that myself since I was 15 years old when my parents moved away ... thankyou very much! Also for your information, whilst I certainly wouldn't say no to your salary, I certainly DO NOT feel inferior to you (unless you stuck me in IMC in a ME where I would most certainly bow to your experience 
). Actually, though I often moan about it (who doesn't?) I'm happy enough in my job, although I must admit the hours are becoming more tedious as I get older. Also, though it's probably not truely representative, watching "the apprentice" and seeing how much a.. licking and back stabbing is required to progress in the corporate world ......... I think can keep it!
I still think £170,000 is too much for the post
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If you read my post again you will see that I wasn't mud slinging or insulting toward you or the salary you earn. As I said, that's good for you and as I also said, I'm sure you're worth it. What I took exception to, was the way you implied that all these high earners are there because they have the kind of motivation and hard work ethic that sets them above the rest of us. IMHO THAT is the bit of what you say that is tter ( B.... ok I'll modify my comment a bit) .... rubbish!
Just as I have no idea about your background, you have no idea of mine. However, you are clearly happy to make the same assumptions you accuse me of
Although you disguise it behind a question, you imply Mummy and Daddy payed for me to go to college? As it happens, my father was a lobster fisherman and earned enough to get by, but certainly not enough to pay my way. I've done that myself since I was 15 years old when my parents moved away ... thankyou very much! Also for your information, whilst I certainly wouldn't say no to your salary, I certainly DO NOT feel inferior to you (unless you stuck me in IMC in a ME where I would most certainly bow to your experience ). Actually, though I often moan about it (who doesn't?) I'm happy enough in my job, although I must admit the hours are becoming more tedious as I get older. Also, though it's probably not truely representative, watching "the apprentice" and seeing how much a.. licking and back stabbing is required to progress in the corporate world ......... I think can keep it!I still think £170,000 is too much for the post
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I still think £170,000 is too much for the post
If you answer yes then you are in the wrong field (no pun intended), may I then suggest a new career, Saint, Pope or maybe Jesus Christ.
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Fair point ... and whilst I think I am worth it, who would pay me £170K to manage their farm? If you know someone who would, and let me know and I'll happily consider you to be a Saint, Pope or Jesus Christ!
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You would, is it to much for your job? Is there such a thing as to much money for our own jobs
And I thought it was you who currently held the position of Jesus Christ, obvioulsy you have found a more senior position.
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You would, is it to much for your job? Is there such a thing as to much money for our own jobs
I would say yes, considering that the post holders salary is partly being funded by GA and does not seem to be in-line with other public sector leaders who we have established, in some cases, earn far less.
And I thought it was you who currently held the position of Jesus Christ, obvioulsy you have found a more senior position.
You would, is it to much for your job? Is there such a thing as to much money for our own jobs
I would say yes, considering that the post holders salary is partly being funded by GA and does not seem to be in-line with other public sector leaders who we have established, in some cases, earn far less.
And I thought it was you who currently held the position of Jesus Christ, obvioulsy you have found a more senior position.
I think a lot of people posting on here are just looking for a fight rather than a real understanding of how the CAA operates, how the charges made to GA from the CAA are actually made and what percentage of CAA revenues that GA actually inputs.
Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the CAA, even Jesus Christ could not do that at times with a clear conscience. But I am pragmatic enough to understand how it works.
I went through the Sunday times this morning from last weekend and looked at the public sector jobs (of which the CAA is actually private sector with a public oversight) and the salaries are in line. As far as private sector is concerned we recently employed a Head of It for one the group companies with 40 staff reporting in and the salary was £160k plus car and benefits, shares and bonus.
A band of £130-170k is not unusual I think.
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Why all the insults back-and-forth? Completely unrelated to the thread, and like children in a playground. We're all adults aren't we? Cut it out.
The only one who seems to have spoken any sort of sense in this discussion is tmmorris (Post #47).
The only one who seems to have spoken any sort of sense in this discussion is tmmorris (Post #47).