Who controls and checks when you update your flying hours?
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But, what grounds could the CAA prosecute somebody who flew and didn't log it? You are not obtaining any advantage from this "crime".
For example if you don't renew your licence before the old one has expired the CAA want a shufti of your logbook before they let you buy a new one.
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an individual not keeping a true logbook might not be correctly licensed for a particular flight and might be failing to log it for that reason
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What about if I land at a private site and then just sit there for an hour with the engine idling and rotors turning?
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I0540, Is this a five minute argument or are you going for another 28 pages?
Of course it would be illegal; but how else would the CAA check for legality or not?
I didn't make the rules; I just try hard to comply with them.
Of course it would be illegal; but how else would the CAA check for legality or not?
I didn't make the rules; I just try hard to comply with them.
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I don't think anyone (except Pprune) would give two hoots if someone forgot to log a flight....
Anyway the ANO says:
Obviously the forgotten flight was not for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence 
Anyway the ANO says:
every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order shallkeep a personal flying log book in which the following particulars shall be recorded:
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Englishal,
You are somehow missing the meaning of the first part of that same sentence.
The second part of the sentence (your quote) goes on further to also include a student pilot (in the broad sense) flying for training purposes in the same aircraft, when applicable.
Not true. The CAA care. I had this explained to me by the CAA at FCL Gatwick when I visited to renew one of my licences. They check an applicant's logbook to ensure there was no flying "in breach", i.e. no flying carried out without the necessary licence being valid. If you don't believe me, telephone FCL and ask!
Personal flying log book
35 (1) Every member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order shall keep a personal flying log book in which the following particulars shall be recorded:
35 (1) Every member of the flight crew of an aircraft registered in the United Kingdom and every person who engages in flying for the purpose of qualifying for the grant or renewal of a licence under this Order shall keep a personal flying log book in which the following particulars shall be recorded:
The second part of the sentence (your quote) goes on further to also include a student pilot (in the broad sense) flying for training purposes in the same aircraft, when applicable.
I don't think anyone (except Pprune) would give two hoots if someone forgot to log a flight....
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I'm aware of a guy who used to take off from his home field, land somewhere about 30mins away, sit there drinking tea for half a day, then head home and pretend he'd done a lengthy local flight!
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Looking at it from a commercial pilots point of view. Max 900 hours per year and 100 hours per 28 days in the UK. This is a legal limit and it is the licence holders responsibility to observe these limits. Recording these hours in a personal logbook is the best way for an individual to keep track of hours flown.
Log Book fraud currently costs about £400 a line in the UK Courts and once convicted you could then loose your licence on the basis of being an unsuitable person to hold one.
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Log Book fraud currently costs about £400 a line in the UK Courts and once convicted you could then loose your licence on the basis of being an unsuitable person to hold one.
No wonder we get threads here running to 100 pages about whether a pilot with 1 leg, wearing pink underpants, standing up in the right hand seat, wearing glasses with a -6.1 correction but with his spare glasses having only a -5.9 correction, flying at 10,010 feet on a QNH of 1014.5 and carrying a portable oxygen kit with a bottle last pressure tested 37 months ago, fitted with a pressure gauge on the bottle itself and with a U.S. 540 thread on top, with his spouse (who is actually married bigamously) in the back seat who owns the plane and rents it to the pilot, with the plane being on the Transport CofA regime but with the engine being 12 years and 1 week since its last overhaul, can legally log the flight.
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You may have noticed I don't participate in those intractable threads.
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If two PPL holder take a plance out for 2 hours who logs the flight as theirs?
Can they have one each if one is in contorl 50% of the time?
Just curious really..
Can they have one each if one is in contorl 50% of the time?
Just curious really..
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Whoever is the pilot in command of the flight logs the hours...it has nothing to do with who is in control
It's possible to change pilot in command during a flight (assuming both are properly qualified etc). In that case, each pilot logs the part of the flight that they were pilot in command for.
The important thing to remember is that only one of them can be pilot in command at any given time.
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It's possible to change pilot in command during a flight (assuming both are properly qualified etc). In that case, each pilot logs the part of the flight that they were pilot in command for.
The important thing to remember is that only one of them can be pilot in command at any given time.
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I can't imagine they would ever bother to prosecute, but then I can't imagine why anyone would want to fly and then not log the hours. You have to fill in the aircraft log, so why not do your flying logbook at the same time?
I don't know how it works these days, but when I got my PPL, the CFI had to check my logbook against the school records (and, I assume, the aircraft logs), then sign and stamp my logbook accordingly. That was a long time ago, and it may be different now. If I'd "added" hours to get to the total for PPL issue, I'm sure he'd have picked it up. As it was, I had to go and do 40 minutes of bimbling around after the GFT to get the minimum hours needed.
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but then I can't imagine why anyone would want to fly and then not log the hours.
