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Old 27th December 2007 | 02:53
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Rudder practicing software?

Hello all, I hope i am posting on the right forum...

Recently, I am trying to find a way to practice my hand eye coordinations and leg eye coordinations, i.e. to improve my skill using the rudder. I am wondering if there any any simple computer software that i can get online to use along with my joysticks and rudder?

thank you very much!
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Old 27th December 2007 | 03:36
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2-3 hours in a Tiger Moth should fix the problem!
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Old 27th December 2007 | 03:40
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A pretty important part of rudder coordination is not just "stepping on the ball" but feeling the imbalance ("seat of your pants"), as well as instinctively adding rudder to counter P-factor and during turns. So I'm not sure how effective computer software can be, outside of a full-motion simulator.

Please let us know if you find something that's useful though, because it's something I could use some practice with myself.
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Old 27th December 2007 | 07:45
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You may as well go out there and do the real thing !
It'll be more fun.
It's just like asking if there's a sim for learning how to ride a 2-wheel bike !
Just do it.
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Old 27th December 2007 | 09:24
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People use the rudder??
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Old 27th December 2007 | 10:18
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You mean that footrest that's always a bit loose for some reason? And while we're at it, someone should fix that part of the tailfin that's always flapping about behind me.....
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Old 27th December 2007 | 10:25
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Hanna Reisch, the German glider and test pilot, used to sit on the side of her bed with a stick in one hand and just practice moving hands and feet together.
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Old 27th December 2007 | 13:32
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Whose stick?

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Old 27th December 2007 | 13:51
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You can't easily simulate correct rudder co-ordination. You need to feel whether the aeroplane is in balance or not - and they're all different. A Cub demands very different stick/rudder co-ordination than does a Chippy, for instance.

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Old 28th December 2007 | 14:14
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We practice in the air on FI courses by banking from (30 degrees) left to right very quickly and keeping the nose on a constant centreline with the rudder. I am always amazed at how few pilots can do this when they first try it.
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Old 28th December 2007 | 15:04
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SSD, this thing will teach a pilot what rudder is for.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...h/aaf4e977.jpg
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Old 28th December 2007 | 15:53
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Coincidentally, Chuck, I've just seen in Flypast magazine that 1/20 shares in one of those are available in the UK.

£17,500 capital, £150 pcm and a paltry £600 per hour.
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Old 28th December 2007 | 19:32
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Wow, Chuck. That's a real pilot's aeroplane! I'd love a go at one of those.

Seem to remember some comments on 'ere about 'The Last African Flying Boat' TV film, and how that aeroplane should have been handled!
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Old 28th December 2007 | 19:36
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We practice in the air on FI courses by banking from (30 degrees) left to right very quickly and keeping the nose on a constant centreline with the rudder. I am always amazed at how few pilots can do this when they first try it.
That's called 'Rolling Around a Point' and should be a basic handling excercise in any aeroplane check-out. It's particularly effective in something like a Chipmunk, where you sit on the centreline and lazy rudder feet leads to lots of adverse yaw.

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Old 28th December 2007 | 20:58
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We practice in the air on FI courses by banking from (30 degrees) left to right very quickly and keeping the nose on a constant centreline with the rudder. I am always amazed at how few pilots can do this when they first try it.
In the states we call it dutch rolls. Very useful exercise. Both my primary instructor in the PA12 and my acro instructor in the S2A had me do this. A couple others along the way too.

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Old 29th December 2007 | 01:01
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Old 29th December 2007 | 01:07
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For Dave W.. and Shaggy S.D...

This was my last take off in a PBY in downtown Rotterdam in the fall of 2005.

The right wing is low because I had started my turn right out of the water.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...rdamBridge.jpg

This is one of my favourite pictures of the PBY, taken in 1997 in Chad.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...imountains.jpg

1998 St Lewis Senegal.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ricanriver.jpg

1998 Rio de Janeiro

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...-SantiagoC.jpg

2003 Narssarssuaq Greenland

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...yflight118.jpg

Enough of hijacking a thread.....back to the subject...
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Old 29th December 2007 | 06:24
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Quite simple: Get a CH Products yoke and rudder and a copy of X-plane http://www.x-plane.com now with version 9 it's the most realistic flight sim you can find, the makers of it fly GA themselfs!!!

It's good to practice rudder skills and cross wind landings!!! (at least the correct coordination, there is still a BIG difference with real flying!!)

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