What Ever Happened to BCT at Kemble
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No, I don't agree: people on this thread are quite normal. There is maybe a tendency to overuse emoticons, but this fashion is general, not just on this web-site. The reason is that we have all been misunderstood in e-mails, perhaps by saying something homorously and finding that it is taken seriously. It's hard to communicate, other than very formally, with others who are not present. Misunderstandings are a waste of time and frustrating. So emoticons now tend to be used rather a lot. They charactature the situation, make it a melodrama, but they can help avoid misunderstandings.
As to the underlying realities of this thread -- well, you need to have met the protagonist, Pawl Couzens / Shanley, to understand why some contributors get very annoyed. Shanley is like Inspector Clouseau. If that doesn't mean anything to you, check out a French film with Peter Sellers called The Pink Panther.
As to the underlying realities of this thread -- well, you need to have met the protagonist, Pawl Couzens / Shanley, to understand why some contributors get very annoyed. Shanley is like Inspector Clouseau. If that doesn't mean anything to you, check out a French film with Peter Sellers called The Pink Panther.
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Will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
Hi peeps, interesting thread about Pawl Shanley and Liam Kelly, the two of them have surfaced in Spain and recently set-up a pirate radio station operating as Radio Caroline Spain.
It seems this has been as successful as their pervious businesses, as the plug was pulled last Friday, with the poor backer left out of pocket to the tune of 11,000 euros.
I'll re-produce the messages from the pirate radio forum below, as I expect they'll get deleted, and I think it could be of interest to anyone that has had dealings with these people.
It seems this has been as successful as their pervious businesses, as the plug was pulled last Friday, with the poor backer left out of pocket to the tune of 11,000 euros.
I'll re-produce the messages from the pirate radio forum below, as I expect they'll get deleted, and I think it could be of interest to anyone that has had dealings with these people.
Dear Peter
It is with regret that I inform you that after irreconcilable differences over programming and continuity, quality of presentation and finance that Radio Caroline Spain ceased to broadcast today October 9th 2009 at 1315hrs local. This decision was made following a heated discussion with Alexander Baker the third partner, who wanted to drop our AOR Rock format and play the top forty and other pop tunes. I have been fighting the Caroline corner for too long alone now and, what with your criticisms and those of Alexander Baker, I am unwilling to continue. I do not want to own nor work for a pop station when there are three other stations here all playing the same drivel and not making money either and the presentation will be worse than any of them put together.
No doubt my departure will allow my name to be used to blame all failures, but I shall not let it happen without recourse.
I will sign off by saying that the last six months have been costly in both monetary and emotional terms and I am not too sad to have it all at an end.
There were however a few high points of which one was the pleasure I took in meeting you and sharing a small amount of time with you just the once.
I am sure you are very happy to have this all end now, since you had already declared that RCS was perhaps "only temporary" I cannot tell you how unhappy I am to have proven you right and what a loss it is to the many people who listened and contacted us to tell us what a sterling job we were doing.
Sincerely
Paul Shanley
Radio Caroline Spain
It is with regret that I inform you that after irreconcilable differences over programming and continuity, quality of presentation and finance that Radio Caroline Spain ceased to broadcast today October 9th 2009 at 1315hrs local. This decision was made following a heated discussion with Alexander Baker the third partner, who wanted to drop our AOR Rock format and play the top forty and other pop tunes. I have been fighting the Caroline corner for too long alone now and, what with your criticisms and those of Alexander Baker, I am unwilling to continue. I do not want to own nor work for a pop station when there are three other stations here all playing the same drivel and not making money either and the presentation will be worse than any of them put together.
No doubt my departure will allow my name to be used to blame all failures, but I shall not let it happen without recourse.
I will sign off by saying that the last six months have been costly in both monetary and emotional terms and I am not too sad to have it all at an end.
There were however a few high points of which one was the pleasure I took in meeting you and sharing a small amount of time with you just the once.
I am sure you are very happy to have this all end now, since you had already declared that RCS was perhaps "only temporary" I cannot tell you how unhappy I am to have proven you right and what a loss it is to the many people who listened and contacted us to tell us what a sterling job we were doing.
Sincerely
Paul Shanley
Radio Caroline Spain
I dont know if you guys out there actualy know paWl shanley, but not only is he a liar he is also a con man, He promissed me everything when I funded radio caroline 11000 euros to be exact to get the station up and running in spain. The so called argument was nothing to do with the format it was to do with finances, we were struggling to get sponsors to keep the station afloat and paWl shanley came to work one day on a moped saying that he got the bike from a company rather than money to fund the station.
It came to a head as paWl shanley put nothing financialy into the station, after putting my 11000 euros in i felt i could do no more, we even got cut from the telephone 20e bill and the internet 12e, paWl shanley thinks that he can come to work on a brand new moped rather than get funds to help run the station,,,
now i ask you do you think i would throw 11000e away about programming,,,,NO is the answer, i just could not take any more of his lies and deciept, i thought radio caroline spain was an exellent station,. the only thing that let the station down was paWl shanley, If it was not for him the station would still be running now,,,im not going to throw that amount of money away,,, i am sorry you guys but im telling you the truth, its up to you if you dont believe me.
yours sandy b the flying fier,,,alexander baker.
It came to a head as paWl shanley put nothing financialy into the station, after putting my 11000 euros in i felt i could do no more, we even got cut from the telephone 20e bill and the internet 12e, paWl shanley thinks that he can come to work on a brand new moped rather than get funds to help run the station,,,
now i ask you do you think i would throw 11000e away about programming,,,,NO is the answer, i just could not take any more of his lies and deciept, i thought radio caroline spain was an exellent station,. the only thing that let the station down was paWl shanley, If it was not for him the station would still be running now,,,im not going to throw that amount of money away,,, i am sorry you guys but im telling you the truth, its up to you if you dont believe me.
yours sandy b the flying fier,,,alexander baker.
POSTED BY ME OVER THERE:
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..
Pawl Shanley is listed on the Radio Caroline Spain website as someone with a passion for flying and a background in advertising sales and we know he had someone called Liam working for him as the techy guy.
A Pawl Shanley, also known as Pawl Couzens, is featured on the ‘Professional Pilots’ forum as a man with a background in advertising sales that was last known to be heading to Spain with his ‘business partner’ Liam Kelly. It’s an interesting thread about dodgy business dealings, people being ripped-off and county court action.
On that thread you’ll notice post 106 is Liam Kelly posting in the same style as techy Liam did on here – for example using ‘Im’ instead of ‘I’m’ amongst other things– denying that Pawl Shanley/Couzens was anything to do with the new business of ‘Cotswold Flying Club’, but another poster at post 111 points out that Pawl Shanley/Couzens was featured on the company’s website as a member of ‘The Team’.
This does somewhat support Alexander Baker’s claim that Pawl is not all what he seems to be.
THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..
Pawl Shanley is listed on the Radio Caroline Spain website as someone with a passion for flying and a background in advertising sales and we know he had someone called Liam working for him as the techy guy.
A Pawl Shanley, also known as Pawl Couzens, is featured on the ‘Professional Pilots’ forum as a man with a background in advertising sales that was last known to be heading to Spain with his ‘business partner’ Liam Kelly. It’s an interesting thread about dodgy business dealings, people being ripped-off and county court action.
On that thread you’ll notice post 106 is Liam Kelly posting in the same style as techy Liam did on here – for example using ‘Im’ instead of ‘I’m’ amongst other things– denying that Pawl Shanley/Couzens was anything to do with the new business of ‘Cotswold Flying Club’, but another poster at post 111 points out that Pawl Shanley/Couzens was featured on the company’s website as a member of ‘The Team’.
This does somewhat support Alexander Baker’s claim that Pawl is not all what he seems to be.
THIS INFORMATION IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN.
May I have your attention please?
May I have your attention please?
Will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
I repeat, will the real Pawl Shanley please stand up?
We're gonna have a problem here..
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Sorry peeps, forgot to include links, for as long as they remain available:
Pirate / Free Radio forum thread:
Pirate / Free Radio: Radio Caroline Spain
Radio Caroline Spain:
Radio Caroline Spain 102.7fm
- click on 'Advertise' and you'll see Pawl listed as Paul.
- click on 'Presenters' and Pawl's on-air name was 'The Hound Dog', strangely the only presenter who's face is not shown - I wonder why?
Finally, this operation had no direct link to the real Radio Caroline in the UK apart from relaying their output overnight. http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk
Pirate / Free Radio forum thread:
Pirate / Free Radio: Radio Caroline Spain
Radio Caroline Spain:
Radio Caroline Spain 102.7fm
- click on 'Advertise' and you'll see Pawl listed as Paul.
- click on 'Presenters' and Pawl's on-air name was 'The Hound Dog', strangely the only presenter who's face is not shown - I wonder why?
Finally, this operation had no direct link to the real Radio Caroline in the UK apart from relaying their output overnight. http://www.radiocaroline.co.uk
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Oh boy...
Well, I wasn't there, but this is 100% characteristic straight-down-the-line Pawl Shanley behaviour. Including changing the spelling of his name. The episode with the moped is particularly characteristic. The guy really should have an explanatory label stapled to his forehead. I feel sorry for Mr Baker, and even sorrier that he won't be the last victim of this pan-galactic pillock.
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The Caroline web-site
Well isn't that interesting? All of the presenters on this now-defunct station have real (or plausible) names, except one. All of the presenters (not unreasonably) show their faces for the camera, except one. Are we to conclude that this one presenter — ‘Hound Dog’ — doesn't want anyone to know his name or what he looks like?
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Well looks like the Shanley character has re-emerged by moving into a house right next door to Kemble Airfield and because they refused to let him start up the flying school mentioned earlier he now spends his time complaining to the local council about all the activities there...........sums him up really
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Tracking down BCT at Kemble! NEWS!!
Further to various input on this thread and having been informed there is no chance of getting my money back that was stolen by BCT 'The start of this thread', it has been pointed out to me that there is in fact still monetary value somewhere as a result of the demise of BCT.
In several entries in this thread it was made quite clear that all assets were taken by the liquidators with nothing left to repay us, not withstanding the fact that many of us were never informed of the liquidation and given the opportunity to add ourselves to the list of creditors!
I have just been made aware that in fact the lack of any remaining assets of BCT at Kemble is potentially untrue as one of the Cessna 150 aircraft, Registration 'G-BSJZ', still in all its BCT paint glory is up for sale with a new advert placed for everyone to see on AvBuyer on 24th January 2010.
For all those who are owed money by BCT at Kemble and involved in this thread and indeed any unsuspecting aircraft purchasers, please see the advert at:-
*Aircraft for sale
Aircraft for Sale on AvBuyer.com
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In several entries in this thread it was made quite clear that all assets were taken by the liquidators with nothing left to repay us, not withstanding the fact that many of us were never informed of the liquidation and given the opportunity to add ourselves to the list of creditors!
I have just been made aware that in fact the lack of any remaining assets of BCT at Kemble is potentially untrue as one of the Cessna 150 aircraft, Registration 'G-BSJZ', still in all its BCT paint glory is up for sale with a new advert placed for everyone to see on AvBuyer on 24th January 2010.
For all those who are owed money by BCT at Kemble and involved in this thread and indeed any unsuspecting aircraft purchasers, please see the advert at:-
*Aircraft for sale
Aircraft for Sale on AvBuyer.com.
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Registered owner does not appear to have anything to do with BCT or Shanley. Your local council dustcart may have the council's name on it but it won't be an asset of the council.
Chances are that the lady concerned is also a victim like you, owed money by BCT and stuck with an aircraft that is not airworthy and needs a repaint to get rid of the livery.
Chances are that the lady concerned is also a victim like you, owed money by BCT and stuck with an aircraft that is not airworthy and needs a repaint to get rid of the livery.
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The C152 is for sale by a Mr Brown with another ex BCT aircraft also for sale by a Mr Brown on the same website the Diesel PA-28 Warrior.
Has a Ex BCT member I wonder if this is Bob Brown the B in BCT who lived in the Derby area if my memory is correct?
Steve
Has a Ex BCT member I wonder if this is Bob Brown the B in BCT who lived in the Derby area if my memory is correct?
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Dunno about that but Mr Brown is not the registered owner, not unless he's taken to wearing a frock and calling himself Maureen. In any case none of the adverts by "Mr Brown" appear to be current.
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Mr Brown has always made himself out to be a litigious little sausage.
Strangely enough he hasn't been in touch with us over this purportedly shocking post above.
Strangely enough he's never made good any of his threats.
We miss him and hope he writes to us soon with clarification.
Rob
Strangely enough he hasn't been in touch with us over this purportedly shocking post above.
Strangely enough he's never made good any of his threats.
We miss him and hope he writes to us soon with clarification.
Rob
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This thread is primarily about someone who was daft enough to put money up front in a flying club and loosing it. BCT were a limited company that went bust; that's really the end of it. If they have your money you will probably never see it again. When a limited company goes bust, you can lodge a claim against its remaining assets, but remember, the major claimant is the taxman so you probably won't get anything. Companies only want you to put money up front to pay someone else's bills so caveat emptor. Other BCT companies still exist, but they are separate companies.
I had dealings with this Company prior to its demise and spoke with Mr Shanley shortly afterwards. Mr Shanley had been employed as an Ops Officer at BCT until the day it folded; he was given the keys and a directorship as the real owners left the building, leaving him looking dazed with a smoking gun in his hand. He was as much a victim as anyone else. Because of his enthusiasm, he attempted to resurrect the flying club but it failed.
I am confident that Mr Shanley is being used as a Scapegoat in the BCT episode. I do not believe he was personally responsible for anyone loosing their money as he was simply an employee until after the event. I think the way he is portrayed and pursued in this thread is both unfair and unjust.
swp53 Quite Correct
I had dealings with this Company prior to its demise and spoke with Mr Shanley shortly afterwards. Mr Shanley had been employed as an Ops Officer at BCT until the day it folded; he was given the keys and a directorship as the real owners left the building, leaving him looking dazed with a smoking gun in his hand. He was as much a victim as anyone else. Because of his enthusiasm, he attempted to resurrect the flying club but it failed.
I am confident that Mr Shanley is being used as a Scapegoat in the BCT episode. I do not believe he was personally responsible for anyone loosing their money as he was simply an employee until after the event. I think the way he is portrayed and pursued in this thread is both unfair and unjust.
swp53 Quite Correct
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MC - Wasn't there a Maureen who was the wife of one the directors? - sadly the one who I believe died in an RTA? I remember her for being a nice charming lady as well as pretty.
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Sound to me like StrateandLevel is an alias for Shanley/Cousens. Who else would stand up for the twerp? Maureen was the wife of Bob who was killed in a RTA. As to JZ that was the aircraft that had the hour building shares in it.
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Just opened up this enormous thread regarding BTU's antics, makes for quite entertaining reading! (Especially yours Vertiginious). I also used to work 'with' Pawl Shanley and am having quite excellent fun reading all of these posts.
Wonder where/what he's doing now?
It's a frightening thought....gives me a few ideas for possible Halloween costumes though
Wonder where/what he's doing now?
It's a frightening thought....gives me a few ideas for possible Halloween costumes though
"Companies only want you to put money up front to pay someone else's bills so caveat emptor"
I was reading that, and whilst possible, I thought it might be an idea to post a counter thought.
We ask, in some cases, a substantial amount of deposit for our trips. It is, unfortunately, the only way of making sure that they are committed. It is amazing the amount of 'I'm 100% definite' calls or emails that suddenly convert to 'actually, no can do' once the request for money arrives. Perhaps not so much for flying schools, but we also spend quite a bit of cash sometimes several months in advance as well.
Keeping a space that is then not taken, particularly if then others are turned away, is not an option for many companies - and particularly not flight schools who struggle at the best of times.
So, if unsure then definitely keep your money in the bank, but if the amount and timescale seem reasonable then you may have to 'take the risk'. Not trying to teach the sucking of eggs - but if 'they' seem particularly keen to get your deposit you may want to look elsewhere!
Safe flights, Sam.
I was reading that, and whilst possible, I thought it might be an idea to post a counter thought.
We ask, in some cases, a substantial amount of deposit for our trips. It is, unfortunately, the only way of making sure that they are committed. It is amazing the amount of 'I'm 100% definite' calls or emails that suddenly convert to 'actually, no can do' once the request for money arrives. Perhaps not so much for flying schools, but we also spend quite a bit of cash sometimes several months in advance as well.
Keeping a space that is then not taken, particularly if then others are turned away, is not an option for many companies - and particularly not flight schools who struggle at the best of times.
So, if unsure then definitely keep your money in the bank, but if the amount and timescale seem reasonable then you may have to 'take the risk'. Not trying to teach the sucking of eggs - but if 'they' seem particularly keen to get your deposit you may want to look elsewhere!
Safe flights, Sam.