LOOP trash mag....and Bob Davy in particular
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So BD flew that well known aeroplane known as 'fast jets' did he?!?
Happy for confirmation in either direction, last I saw him on ULAS he was certainly not in line for an RAF career, think that I chatted to him at NWeald and he confirmed the same.
Doesn't mean that he hasn't flown a lot of aeroplanes, nor that he can get people speaking about a subject that he has written about. Maybe that makes him a good journo....
Happy for confirmation in either direction, last I saw him on ULAS he was certainly not in line for an RAF career, think that I chatted to him at NWeald and he confirmed the same. Doesn't mean that he hasn't flown a lot of aeroplanes, nor that he can get people speaking about a subject that he has written about. Maybe that makes him a good journo....
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Anyone who "hates" the mighty shed is nothing short of an imbecile, or has never flown one and goes purely on the looks of the thing.
Noisy and not particularily fast, but nice to hand fly and I learnt more flying them than on any a/c before or since.
Ugly as sin, but actually a pretty neat bit of design.
LOOP is alright, but nothing special. It does do a slightly better job than the glossier mags, but I wouldn't pay for it.
The standard of journalism is often pretty low. There are a couple of people who can write, but compared to other forms of journalism the sector is very, very mediocre.
Mind you, I haven't done anything to help, so it's a bit rich to criticise too much.
Noisy and not particularily fast, but nice to hand fly and I learnt more flying them than on any a/c before or since.
Ugly as sin, but actually a pretty neat bit of design.
LOOP is alright, but nothing special. It does do a slightly better job than the glossier mags, but I wouldn't pay for it.
The standard of journalism is often pretty low. There are a couple of people who can write, but compared to other forms of journalism the sector is very, very mediocre.
Mind you, I haven't done anything to help, so it's a bit rich to criticise too much.
A little less conversation,
a little more aviation...
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Keep up at the back, Greeners. The serious point here as that IO540 has found a glaring error in the current Jeppview.
As for Bob, I've never heard him mention 'fast jets' as part of his reportoire - he had Hawk time in his youth, and clearly it left an impression, expressed in the article.
Anyway, I'm not his publicity agent - if I was, I would be banging on about how he was a child prodigy as classical ballet dancer - Margot Fonteyn described his performance as lead dancer in the summer 1975 Epping Ballet Academy performance of Swan Lake as 'eye-watering' - Nureyev himself was present for his performance in the Academy's autumn production of Don Quixote that year, with a view to recruiting Bob for the Junior Bolshoi. Sadly, as we all know, that was all brought to a halt by a rogue ingrown toenail. Tragic.
Commercial aviation, and aviation journalism, has gained from his change in career direction, but at a dreadful cost to British classical dance. He doesn't like to talk about it, but it is a fact he has flown every flight test yet published to date wearing his tutu - known affectionately as Desmond.
B.Lecomber, B.Smith, D.Bianchi, B.Grimstead? - all respected pilots and authors....but they couldn't dance for toffee.
As for Bob, I've never heard him mention 'fast jets' as part of his reportoire - he had Hawk time in his youth, and clearly it left an impression, expressed in the article.
Anyway, I'm not his publicity agent - if I was, I would be banging on about how he was a child prodigy as classical ballet dancer - Margot Fonteyn described his performance as lead dancer in the summer 1975 Epping Ballet Academy performance of Swan Lake as 'eye-watering' - Nureyev himself was present for his performance in the Academy's autumn production of Don Quixote that year, with a view to recruiting Bob for the Junior Bolshoi. Sadly, as we all know, that was all brought to a halt by a rogue ingrown toenail. Tragic.
Commercial aviation, and aviation journalism, has gained from his change in career direction, but at a dreadful cost to British classical dance. He doesn't like to talk about it, but it is a fact he has flown every flight test yet published to date wearing his tutu - known affectionately as Desmond.
B.Lecomber, B.Smith, D.Bianchi, B.Grimstead? - all respected pilots and authors....but they couldn't dance for toffee.
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eharding, you are completely right to focus on ballet - how slow of me. I hadn't been aware of Bob's amazing dance track record, but do understand his dress sense a little better now
As for the other journos mentioned, Brian still writes for Flyer magazine, and was awarded European GA journo of the year award at the Paris Airshow for his efforts, and Bob still writes in a number of places, most notably in Pilot. I met him at Shoreham when our aeroplanes were parked together at the airshow, and what a jolly nice chap he was too.
As for the other journos mentioned, Brian still writes for Flyer magazine, and was awarded European GA journo of the year award at the Paris Airshow for his efforts, and Bob still writes in a number of places, most notably in Pilot. I met him at Shoreham when our aeroplanes were parked together at the airshow, and what a jolly nice chap he was too.
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I'm not quite sure what the problem is here....
If I started a thread discussing my three favourite aircraft and three most hated ones, everyone would happily join in. If in the first sentence I mentioned I'd flown X number of types, people would consider this useful info, not a reason to knock me. And they might or might not agree with my opinions, but so what - we're all different.
Now, I could then decide to turn that thread into an article and send it to one of the mags. If I had any sense I would - after all, they pay, and I write far too much for free anyway.
And my opinions would be published. But all that would mean is that they reached a wider audience. Getting one's opinions in print doesn't make them gospel - and no-one thinks it does. And it wouldn't make me anyone special...and everyone should know that too.
Bob Davy wrote an interesting, entertaining, and informative account of some aircraft he likes and some he hates. "Interesting, entertaining, informative", note. That's what mags try to do - get a balance between those three. They're not textbooks or Pilots Operating Handbooks, and nor do they want to be. And if you personally didn't find his article interesting etc...well, like I said, we're all different.
For £3.50 or so you have a choice of glossy aviation mags....or you can get about one and half cups of coffee at Starbucks, or a minute or so of flying, or 1% of a Breitling watch. It's your choice.
So what's all the fuss about? And if by any chance it's jealousy creeping in, I know for a fact that most of the aviation mags need more contributions.
Then you too could get flamed on PPRuNe.
If I started a thread discussing my three favourite aircraft and three most hated ones, everyone would happily join in. If in the first sentence I mentioned I'd flown X number of types, people would consider this useful info, not a reason to knock me. And they might or might not agree with my opinions, but so what - we're all different.
Now, I could then decide to turn that thread into an article and send it to one of the mags. If I had any sense I would - after all, they pay, and I write far too much for free anyway.
And my opinions would be published. But all that would mean is that they reached a wider audience. Getting one's opinions in print doesn't make them gospel - and no-one thinks it does. And it wouldn't make me anyone special...and everyone should know that too.Bob Davy wrote an interesting, entertaining, and informative account of some aircraft he likes and some he hates. "Interesting, entertaining, informative", note. That's what mags try to do - get a balance between those three. They're not textbooks or Pilots Operating Handbooks, and nor do they want to be. And if you personally didn't find his article interesting etc...well, like I said, we're all different.
For £3.50 or so you have a choice of glossy aviation mags....or you can get about one and half cups of coffee at Starbucks, or a minute or so of flying, or 1% of a Breitling watch. It's your choice.
So what's all the fuss about? And if by any chance it's jealousy creeping in, I know for a fact that most of the aviation mags need more contributions.
Then you too could get flamed on PPRuNe.
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Interesting! People here with real names or known names, who we know can fly. And a spineless jealous individual hiding as an unknown......i put my money on feelings of inadequacy........
Personally, and i have been very fortunate in the types i have flown and loved , i don't care what i'm in.... it's all surly bond slipping and all about fun....
Could we please encourage the publications that are available to us instead of childish in-fighting???
We should be making the most of it while we can
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Personally, and i have been very fortunate in the types i have flown and loved , i don't care what i'm in.... it's all surly bond slipping and all about fun....
Could we please encourage the publications that are available to us instead of childish in-fighting???
We should be making the most of it while we can
loadsaluv
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Flash my dear chap - a self serving appeal there! :-)
I'm with you on that.
BD has certainly flown many types and his advice on the Soko well worth taking. I briefly looked at one once and was dissuaded by Bob. Thanks I owe you for saviour from frustration and excessive expense (I thought the Chipmunk was bad enough).
We are all, of course, better than any of the writers mentioned in this thread which is why they are paid to write.............
All of the mags do a reasonable job of serving as much of the market as they can. If they didnt they simply wouldnt exist as it is a small and over populated market.
I'm with you on that.
BD has certainly flown many types and his advice on the Soko well worth taking. I briefly looked at one once and was dissuaded by Bob. Thanks I owe you for saviour from frustration and excessive expense (I thought the Chipmunk was bad enough).
We are all, of course, better than any of the writers mentioned in this thread which is why they are paid to write.............
All of the mags do a reasonable job of serving as much of the market as they can. If they didnt they simply wouldnt exist as it is a small and over populated market.
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Aviation mags in the UK and worldwide are pretty poor compared to other sections of specilist journalism.
Motorcycle magazines for instance. A far more crowded market place and they have similar circulations, but the journo's are all full time and do far more than just write reviews of aircraft or simply give their opinions.
They are professional writers first and bikers second. Most of the stuff I read in the flying mags is childlike in comparison (whirly's efforts excepted) Single tests, very little in the way of reviewing new stuff or leading campaigns.
I find very little to interest me in the mags and don't regularily buy any of them.
No I don't contribute anything too them, but I'm a pilot NOT a journalist and anyone publishing my ramblings would probably need sectioning. Not that I'd do a worse job than most of the guff I read when I do flick through a copy of any of the "glossies".
I stil maintain that anyone who "hates" the SD 3-60 is an a*se and quite frankly I'm not interested in any of their opinions as they haven't got the foggiest about what they are talking about. I try not spout off about subjects I have no idea about. Unfortunately the writer in this case seems to have done exactly that.
Motorcycle magazines for instance. A far more crowded market place and they have similar circulations, but the journo's are all full time and do far more than just write reviews of aircraft or simply give their opinions.
They are professional writers first and bikers second. Most of the stuff I read in the flying mags is childlike in comparison (whirly's efforts excepted) Single tests, very little in the way of reviewing new stuff or leading campaigns.
I find very little to interest me in the mags and don't regularily buy any of them.
No I don't contribute anything too them, but I'm a pilot NOT a journalist and anyone publishing my ramblings would probably need sectioning. Not that I'd do a worse job than most of the guff I read when I do flick through a copy of any of the "glossies".
I stil maintain that anyone who "hates" the SD 3-60 is an a*se and quite frankly I'm not interested in any of their opinions as they haven't got the foggiest about what they are talking about. I try not spout off about subjects I have no idea about. Unfortunately the writer in this case seems to have done exactly that.
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Professional pilot..? 
Hate the SD3-60..?
Then stay at home and draw the dole until they make you serve burgers at McDonalds!
Airline accountant..?
Looking for a very economical short-haul freighter..?
Buy the SD3-60!
Just have someone on hand to cope with the job applications from pilots!
Hate the SD3-60..?
Then stay at home and draw the dole until they make you serve burgers at McDonalds!
Airline accountant..?
Looking for a very economical short-haul freighter..?
Buy the SD3-60!
Just have someone on hand to cope with the job applications from pilots!
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Anyway, I'm not his publicity agent - if I was, I would be banging on about how he was a child prodigy as classical ballet dancer - Margot Fonteyn described his performance as lead dancer in the summer 1975 Epping Ballet Academy performance of Swan Lake as 'eye-watering'
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I really dont know why people actually buy any of the UK mags?
Loop is free - so who cares, read if you like, put it in the bin if you dont.
However, I do think Flying from America is worth another plug.
A two year subscription with the state of the dollar I think works out at less than £1 by mail straight through your letter box. You will find hardly any advertising and no pretty pictures but usually some very informative articles from people who fly regularly. It is a little biased towards the higher end of GA but Lane writes every month and there is plently for everyone.
I personally think whatever your interest it is a jolly good read for less than a pound!
Loop is free - so who cares, read if you like, put it in the bin if you dont.
However, I do think Flying from America is worth another plug.
A two year subscription with the state of the dollar I think works out at less than £1 by mail straight through your letter box. You will find hardly any advertising and no pretty pictures but usually some very informative articles from people who fly regularly. It is a little biased towards the higher end of GA but Lane writes every month and there is plently for everyone.
I personally think whatever your interest it is a jolly good read for less than a pound!
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LOOP - or not to loop
Loop gets delivered to my door. It tells me things that the CAA should, but don't. It tells me things that EASA should, but don't. It tells me about other develpoments in all aspects of aviation before I tend to hear from anywhere else. It contributes positively to my aviation business. And the articles are written in interesting and informative prose.
I don't see anything else this comprehensive for FREE.
Keep it up Loop.
P.S. I have only flown 33 different types, so I have some way to go to catch Mr Davy up.
P.P.S. I don't count sub-types as a seperate type (all PA 28's as one type, all 172's as one type, etc).
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I don't see anything else this comprehensive for FREE.
Keep it up Loop.
P.S. I have only flown 33 different types, so I have some way to go to catch Mr Davy up.
P.P.S. I don't count sub-types as a seperate type (all PA 28's as one type, all 172's as one type, etc).
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I have a shed at the bottom of my garden. It shows no signs of flight but if I kicked it hard enough ...well ...you never can tell with Isaac and his bits and bobs...there just may be something in it....
I imagine this must all be over the papers tomorow..after all, so many self agreabe persns ............................................................ ....right lad
I imagine this must all be over the papers tomorow..after all, so many self agreabe persns ............................................................ ....right lad
Scheme to get them all free....
1) Get Loop free
2) When your sister asks what you'd like for Christmas - "year's sub to Pilot mag please"
3) When....mum.....for Christmas - "...sub for Flyer mag please"
4) repeat as required
1) Get Loop free
2) When your sister asks what you'd like for Christmas - "year's sub to Pilot mag please"
3) When....mum.....for Christmas - "...sub for Flyer mag please"
4) repeat as required
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I think the magazine is generally good and I like the free format - as per a couple of US aviation newspaper productions.
Can't say I am a fan of this correspondent however. He did a flight test on my aeroplane a few years ago, didn't want to do any aeros but wrote them up, claimed experience on type and completely porked the first approach, second one needed input from moi !
When you compare his style of writing to others in the field, he needs a few tips Jezza Clarkson has the dismissive initial impression to finish with praise to a tee, Mr Davy doesn't.
And yes, I thoroughly enjoyed my 1,000 hours on the Short 360
Can't say I am a fan of this correspondent however. He did a flight test on my aeroplane a few years ago, didn't want to do any aeros but wrote them up, claimed experience on type and completely porked the first approach, second one needed input from moi !
When you compare his style of writing to others in the field, he needs a few tips
Jezza Clarkson has the dismissive initial impression to finish with praise to a tee, Mr Davy doesn't.And yes, I thoroughly enjoyed my 1,000 hours on the Short 360
I get annoyed every time Loop lands on my doormat.
The fact that the UK CAA distributes my name and address to magazines, insurance companies and others for commercial purposes gets my goat.
Compare this to the attempts by the Association of Licensed Aircraft Engineers to get the CAA to forward mail to its constituency without them having sight of the data.
This has met with a blank refusal.
I wonder if the CAA are breaking the Data protection act?
The fact that the UK CAA distributes my name and address to magazines, insurance companies and others for commercial purposes gets my goat.
Compare this to the attempts by the Association of Licensed Aircraft Engineers to get the CAA to forward mail to its constituency without them having sight of the data.
This has met with a blank refusal.
I wonder if the CAA are breaking the Data protection act?