Bournemouth - Landing Fees !!
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Bournemouth is pricey, but in their defence - actually they are very welcoming to GA. Bournemouth Handling provides an efficient booking in/out system and you get a free coffee (albeit not in the best of surroundings). You can walk into the museum (which is quite interesting), if you need to use the facilities, and take a look around as well. Whenever I've been there, the controllers could not have been more helpful, which is not always the case in large regional airports these days.
I'd rather pay about £25 for the service they provide there, but the fee and treatment could be far worse.
HH
I'd rather pay about £25 for the service they provide there, but the fee and treatment could be far worse.
HH
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Just returned from Bournemouth. Total bill £57+ to park a PA-28 and leave again the following day. The staff were very good but facilities very limited. ATC ok but had to orbit on base leg for 10+ minutes due wake vortex and other traffic - not ATC's fault.
If there were any other airfields nearby I'd have gone there but if you are visiting a friend in Bournemouth you have to grit your teeth and pay the dosh. However, I won't be back in a hurry - due to the cost not my friend !!
My innocent initial posting has caused some interesting comments !! The bottom line is that Bournemouth don't want GA and the price is designed to put most people off. It will work.
Have a nice day.
If there were any other airfields nearby I'd have gone there but if you are visiting a friend in Bournemouth you have to grit your teeth and pay the dosh. However, I won't be back in a hurry - due to the cost not my friend !!
My innocent initial posting has caused some interesting comments !! The bottom line is that Bournemouth don't want GA and the price is designed to put most people off. It will work.
Have a nice day.
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Could you PM me with the brake down of the charges on the invoice. I'm interested in how all this works out. My main gripe is the 50% jump in charges between a less than 1tone and a less than 1.5tone plane especially for the handling side of things. Can't see for the life of me why it should cost 50% more to handle say a AA5B at 1024kg with one on board as against a AA5A at 998kg with four. I'm sure four people ware out their carpet, seats and drink more coffee than one when the planes takes up exactly the same space.
Could you PM me with the brake down of the charges on the invoice. I'm interested in how all this works out. My main gripe is the 50% jump in charges between a less than 1tone and a less than 1.5tone plane especially for the handling side of things. Can't see for the life of me why it should cost 50% more to handle say a AA5B at 1024kg with one on board as against a AA5A at 998kg with four. I'm sure four people ware out their carpet, seats and drink more coffee than one when the planes takes up exactly the same space.
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It never fails to amaze me why the likes of Bose-x are not able to comprehend that HH are ripping GA off (along with some other places). Even worse he comes up with complete crap about having to pay staff and shareholders as some sort of reason to justify the rip off. IDIOT.
Another thing that amazes me is how idiots like Bose-x can post such crap which clearly indicates that he knows very little about the commerce of aviation and in particular sweet FA about regional airports.
Another thing that amazes me is how idiots like Bose-x can post such crap which clearly indicates that he knows very little about the commerce of aviation and in particular sweet FA about regional airports.
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Bose-x, yes I am a member of AOPA and BBGA but they are very busy with what they believe to be more important matters. Reminds me of Nero. If we are not careful GA in Britain will be priced out, and there really needs to be a concerted, but reasonable, effort to persuade airport management to price GA more realistically.
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The Bournemouth picture is a very common one. When an airport is quiet, GA is welcomed with open arms. The moment an airport gets even one scheduled flight operating it sees itself as another Heathrow and GA is beneath its dignity.
Bournemouth has gone down the path of attracting scheduled and large jet aircraft, so GA will be discouraged and have to find a new home. I don't like it much but we are stuck with it.
Bye bye Bournemouth.
C&B
Bournemouth has gone down the path of attracting scheduled and large jet aircraft, so GA will be discouraged and have to find a new home. I don't like it much but we are stuck with it.
Bye bye Bournemouth.
C&B
"When an airport is quiet, GA is welcomed with open arms. The moment an airport gets even one scheduled flight operating it sees itself as another Heathrow and GA is beneath its dignity."
And then, like Coventry and Robindoncasterfinningleyhoodinternational (or whatever it's stupid name is), they start an airspace grab campaign to deny Class G airspace to GA..........
And then, like Coventry and Robindoncasterfinningleyhoodinternational (or whatever it's stupid name is), they start an airspace grab campaign to deny Class G airspace to GA..........
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<It never fails to amaze me why the likes of Bose-x are not able to comprehend that HH are ripping GA off (along with some other places). Even worse he comes up with complete crap about having to pay staff and shareholders as some sort of reason to justify the rip off. IDIOT.
Another thing that amazes me is how idiots like Bose-x can post such crap which clearly indicates that he knows very little about the commerce of aviation and in particular sweet FA about regional airports.>
Be carefull about making comments so personal, you REALLY don't want to get into a slanging match with me.
Whatever you make think of me I am not an idiot and have both an intimate knowledge of the airline business and of GA. Your chicken scratch fees do not meet the upkeep of places like Bournemouth so hey have to go out and find better sources of income. Unfortunatly those sources of income are the airlines. Bournemouth has a specific amount of movements and Bloggs in his PA28 paying 40 quid comes not where near to the several hundred that each chav carrier brings in. Like it or not your spam can is not worth the effort to these people but they can't get away with stopping you going so they make it unattractive.
I don't like it anymore than you do but it is fact and insulting me won't change it!
Another thing that amazes me is how idiots like Bose-x can post such crap which clearly indicates that he knows very little about the commerce of aviation and in particular sweet FA about regional airports.>
Be carefull about making comments so personal, you REALLY don't want to get into a slanging match with me.
Whatever you make think of me I am not an idiot and have both an intimate knowledge of the airline business and of GA. Your chicken scratch fees do not meet the upkeep of places like Bournemouth so hey have to go out and find better sources of income. Unfortunatly those sources of income are the airlines. Bournemouth has a specific amount of movements and Bloggs in his PA28 paying 40 quid comes not where near to the several hundred that each chav carrier brings in. Like it or not your spam can is not worth the effort to these people but they can't get away with stopping you going so they make it unattractive.
I don't like it anymore than you do but it is fact and insulting me won't change it!
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Be carefull about making comments so personal, you REALLY don't want to get into a slanging match with me.
I'm inclined to disagree Bose!! Just coz you have an IR doesn't make you any better at arguing!
I'm inclined to disagree Bose!! Just coz you have an IR doesn't make you any better at arguing!
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<I'm inclined to disagree Bose!! Just coz you have an IR doesn't make you any better at arguing>
No, but it pisses me off and I go all guns blazing!
But an IR does make me better at instrument flying......
There is no need to be rude and insult people. You would not do it to my face so why do it when hiding behind a pseudonym?
What has happened to the quote function?
No, but it pisses me off and I go all guns blazing!
But an IR does make me better at instrument flying......
There is no need to be rude and insult people. You would not do it to my face so why do it when hiding behind a pseudonym?
What has happened to the quote function?
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Sorry, but I have to agree with bose-x on this one.
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the larger airports with full ATC and handling facilities have much higher overheads than most of the small, (mainly GA), ones.
£45.78 plus overnight fees of £10 are certainly not the worse I've come across for one of the larger airports. In fact, on my last visit to Hawarden, (full ATC, but much smaller), I was charged £20 landing fee, and not allowed to even go to the clubhouse! - all I was allowed to do was walk upstairs to the top of the tower, pay the fee, then go (and they were damm miserable on that day too).
On another note, I did most of my training at Bournemouth, and always found ATC to be polite, courteous, and above all helpful.
So, much as I don't like it either, (cost, that is) what bose-x has said is, I think, a reasonable take on how things are.
ariel (and no, I'm not a washing powder)!
It is an unfortunate fact of life that the larger airports with full ATC and handling facilities have much higher overheads than most of the small, (mainly GA), ones.
£45.78 plus overnight fees of £10 are certainly not the worse I've come across for one of the larger airports. In fact, on my last visit to Hawarden, (full ATC, but much smaller), I was charged £20 landing fee, and not allowed to even go to the clubhouse! - all I was allowed to do was walk upstairs to the top of the tower, pay the fee, then go (and they were damm miserable on that day too).
On another note, I did most of my training at Bournemouth, and always found ATC to be polite, courteous, and above all helpful.
So, much as I don't like it either, (cost, that is) what bose-x has said is, I think, a reasonable take on how things are.
ariel (and no, I'm not a washing powder)!
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For the amount of tax we pay I for one would expect state subsidised airfields. One less Trident missile per year could probably finance GA landing fees for ever!
More smaller licensed airfields, as in other countries, is the way forward. But, lets face it, thats not going to happen is it.
Its such a shame the GA scene is seemingly disregarded by the authorities/govt. I'm currently planning to relocate to the US/Canada - a more deserving recipient of my flying budget.
More smaller licensed airfields, as in other countries, is the way forward. But, lets face it, thats not going to happen is it.
Its such a shame the GA scene is seemingly disregarded by the authorities/govt. I'm currently planning to relocate to the US/Canada - a more deserving recipient of my flying budget.
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Originally Posted by Starbucks One
For the amount of tax we pay I for one would expect state subsidised airfields. One less Trident missile per year could probably finance GA landing fees for ever!
1) Iraq / Afghanistan
2) NHS
3) Agreeing to and implementing every bit of policy that comes out of the EU
4) More Prisons (just shoot the habitual criminals instead - it's cheaper)
5) MP's payrises, travelling and accomodation (possibly THE least cost-effective members of current society)
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What has happened to the quote function?
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It is an unfortunate fact of life that the larger airports with full ATC and handling facilities have much higher overheads than most of the small, (mainly GA), ones.
Now if Bournemouth halved their landing fee and had a large GA ramp, and reasonable overnight parking (see Jersey - £9.00 or so for about a week!), you would get more than twice as many visitors, have a nice busy airfield, and be able to keep the ATC trainees busy....People may even come down for the weekend....
I really don't understand some airfields. If you had a really good restaraunt on-site, and charged a zero landing fee, they would probably make more money from the plane load of passengers popping in for sunday lunch than the £15 landing plus a coffee.....
you would get more than twice as many visitors, have a nice busy airfield,
It seems quite busy enough for me.
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With all due respect Al, why would halving the landing fee increaase GA traffic? There is not a lot down there for GA unlike the CI where the novelty factor alone of flying to the Islands draws people. Not to mention the local welcome and facilities. The South coast is a sailing haven and really only the uber rich can fly down to there boat for a weekend!!!
Bournemouth does not have the draw or more "exotic" places and so they have played the survival game and gone for airline business.
I would like nothing more than having an endliss list of Instrument equipped 5 Star restuarant airfields at my beck and call but even the prolific number of hours I fly multiplied by the number of regular GA pilots out there would not generate the revenue of a months worth of CAT flights.
We have to be realistic. Lets face it look at the AV8 when it first started it was popular, then a few bad comments and the business droppped off, the English weather rolled in and it went tits up. These wonderful facilities you crave at the big places like Bourneomouth, these active GA ramps etc. Who fills them and makes them pay when the weather is poor?
Bournemouth does not have the draw or more "exotic" places and so they have played the survival game and gone for airline business.
I would like nothing more than having an endliss list of Instrument equipped 5 Star restuarant airfields at my beck and call but even the prolific number of hours I fly multiplied by the number of regular GA pilots out there would not generate the revenue of a months worth of CAT flights.
We have to be realistic. Lets face it look at the AV8 when it first started it was popular, then a few bad comments and the business droppped off, the English weather rolled in and it went tits up. These wonderful facilities you crave at the big places like Bourneomouth, these active GA ramps etc. Who fills them and makes them pay when the weather is poor?
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Surely Airport costs a predominantly fixed? An Air Traffic Controller costs the same whether they're clearing 20 aeroplanes to land or 2?
Variable costs will be incurred by the handling agent. But it really doesn't cost much.
Expensive landing fees are to affect supply and demand. But in the case of Bournemouth I don't think that's neccassary
Variable costs will be incurred by the handling agent. But it really doesn't cost much.
Expensive landing fees are to affect supply and demand. But in the case of Bournemouth I don't think that's neccassary
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Exactly Kirstey! 2 737's full of paying passengers that will be able to land 99.9% of the time or 20 Spam Cans on a hot summers day followed by zero spamcans for the next month because the weather is typically British?
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If it's an either/or Bose then yes I agree. But I can't see at Bournemouth anyway why there isn't room for both? At Southampton there's as issue of Apron space.
Surely with mainly fixed costs it's a case of more revenue by having BOTH interests served. Unless GA was so prevelant that it delayed CAT movements. But as you say Bose.. there's not really much reason to go to Bournemouth apart from IR training, which I assume is booked as a slot so avoiding delaying Ryanair et al.
Ultimatly, it's a free market. If I need to go to Bournemouth I'll go and I'll pay. I won't pop in for the sake of it. At least I'm free to make my own decision.
Surely with mainly fixed costs it's a case of more revenue by having BOTH interests served. Unless GA was so prevelant that it delayed CAT movements. But as you say Bose.. there's not really much reason to go to Bournemouth apart from IR training, which I assume is booked as a slot so avoiding delaying Ryanair et al.
Ultimatly, it's a free market. If I need to go to Bournemouth I'll go and I'll pay. I won't pop in for the sake of it. At least I'm free to make my own decision.